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Dr. Shades wrote:

rcrocket wrote:I am here for the rhetoric. I see weaknesses, I'll point them out. Just like the rest of you, but most of the rest of you hide cowardly behind your anonymous names so that no damage can really be done to you.

Isn't that the smart thing to do?

As has been pointed out to Bob on numerous occasions.

He posted here anonymously initially, under several different screennames. It's been clearly demonstrated to him that he has enough real life information available online that in a matter of minutes, one can find his work bio and address, his home address (and current appraised value), his ward address and current meeting schedule, and even a list of his (and his wife's) contributions to various political campaigns.

He seems to be very uncomfortable with this, but lashes out at anonymous posters regardless. It borders on pathology.

rcrocket wrote: It seems to me that if a poster acts one way on Sunday and another way on this board, I can point to that inconsistency as an impeachment.

I sincerely doubt you behave the same way on Sunday that you do on this board.

the road to hana wrote:

Dr. Shades wrote:

rcrocket wrote:I am here for the rhetoric. I see weaknesses, I'll point them out. Just like the rest of you, but most of the rest of you hide cowardly behind your anonymous names so that no damage can really be done to you.

Isn't that the smart thing to do?

As has been pointed out to Bob on numerous occasions.

He posted here anonymously initially, under several different screennames. It's been clearly demonstrated to him that he has enough real life information available online that in a matter of minutes, one can find his work bio and address, his home address (and current appraised value), his ward address and current meeting schedule, and even a list of his (and his wife's) contributions to various political campaigns.

He seems to be very uncomfortable with this, but lashes out at anonymous posters regardless. It borders on pathology.

Untrue in all respects, but I am just repeating myself everytime you make claims about my posting history.

Shades asks whether it is "safer" to post anonymously. Yes, just as it is safer for a grafitti tagger to do it at night. Or a rapist to use a mask. The night and the mask are cowards' devices to wreak malice.

Here is my resume: link to resume
Here is one of my cases: link to case

I do not and never have hidden who I am. I may be uncomfortable with you posting my kids names -- one as young as six -- and then seeing board members make vulgar references to them -- Blixa in particular -- but oh well.

rcrocket

I have a great idea!

Bob, how about you put something in your signature about how horrible it is to have a screen name, and how members who question and doubt some doctrines or teachings of the church should have their names removed, then you wouldn't have to repeat it in every post.

:-)

Just trying to help!

~dancer~

Bob wrote:It just seems to me that if somebody REALLY REALLY believed what they were posting here, their life would reflect it.

How do you know that it does not? You don't know them in "real life". You know what they post on this board. All you can do is take what they say at face value (or not). How do you know that they do not live their lives by the same ethics and standards they purport on this board?

Bob wrote: Instead, what happens is that people REALLY REALLY believe in the truthfulness of the Chuch but have chosen to live their lives as sinners -- often a divorce seems to be the explanation (but not always).

Woah! You just made some HUGE leaps here! Are you saying that the majority of people who post here are "sinners" and divorced? Um, hate to break this to you, Bob, but there are quite a few of us who are married. I've been married for 20 years. (Yes, you can start pitying my husband now, if you haven't already...LOL)

Bob wrote: They need to come to boards like this to replace the community they lost when they were faithful.

I think that this is where the disconnect is happening. I come to this board to talk to others about the Church, and about other issues. Do I enjoy the sense of community here? Yes. Is that wrong? I don't think so, and I don't see how? Do you enjoy coming here? Hopefully you do. If you don't, you shouldn't come here. I have made some terrific friends here. I also have terrific friends in my Ward, at work, etc. There are multiple communities that I belong to. I think everyone is like that, aren't they?

Bob wrote:Therein lies my challenge -- resign and walk the talk. But, they can't. And so they are weak. And so I discredit their argument as disingenuous -- saying one thing but doing another. Saying false things about Joseph Smith's purported immoral behavior but, on the other hand, holding recommends, paying tithing and attending church -- something Dr. Sajer plainly observed in his exchange above.

Saying false things? I know that Boaz, Merc, and Infymus are on what I would call a "mission for the anti-s", and most of the time, their threads are silly, immature, and yes, derogatory. But let's just take them out of the equation for a minute, shall we?

From what I have read here, most of the posters speak of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other Mormon prophets based on information they have read about them, and have drawn conclusions about this information. If their information is incorrect, call them out on the information! Refute it with correct information!

This is a discussion board, for crying out loud! We're here to discuss things.

I can tell you this. If you weren't as quick to always go on the attack, I think that you would have better results.

Take the thread I'm hosting in the Celestial Forum as an example. I asked you a couple of simple questions, and you assumed that I was just trying to better you in some debate game. Not so! I was interested in your sources. I wanted to learn something from you.

Also, I don't think that you have any business telling Jason or Harmony to leave the Church. I think you need to accept, that if they say they have spoken to their Church leaders about their concerns, that they have done so. Just because their individual Church leaders did not act in the same manner you would act, does not mean that they did not go to them. As a bishop, I'm sure that you are aware that there is a lot of prayer and individual circumstance that weighs into how decisions are made.

rcrocket wrote:Untrue in all respects, but I am just repeating myself everytime you make claims about my posting history.

Shades asks whether it is "safer" to post anonymously. Yes, just as it is safer for a grafitti tagger to do it at night. Or a rapist to use a mask. The night and the mask are cowards' devices to wreak malice.

Here is my resume: link to resume
Here is one of my cases: link to case

I do not and never have hidden who I am. I may be uncomfortable with you posting my kids names -- one as young as six -- and then seeing board members make vulgar references to them -- Blixa in particular -- but oh well.

rcrocket

I hope people will stop making references to your family at all, vulgar or otherwise. It ought to be common decency to do so. But when did Blixa ever refer to your kids?

Comparing a poster on a message board to a tagger or a rapist is a bit much, though.

rcrocket wrote:Shades asks whether it is "safer" to post anonymously. Yes, just as it is safer for a grafitti tagger to do it at night. Or a rapist to use a mask. The night and the mask are cowards' devices to wreak malice.

Posting anonymously is not akin to a rapist wearing a mask. It is more akin to a police office or a judge having an unlisted phone number.

Does that also qualify as cowardly anonymity in your book? Why or why not?

rcrocket wrote:[I do not and never have hidden who I am. I may be uncomfortable with you posting my kids names -- one as young as six -- and then seeing board members make vulgar references to them -- Blixa in particular -- but oh well.

I have never made any reference, vulgar or otherwise to this poster's children. He has often accused beastie of doing so; perhaps this is some kind of slip or typo. Either way its a gross mistake.

Blixa wrote:

rcrocket wrote:[I do not and never have hidden who I am. I may be uncomfortable with you posting my kids names -- one as young as six -- and then seeing board members make vulgar references to them -- Blixa in particular -- but oh well.

I have never made any reference, vulgar or otherwise to this poster's children. He has often accused beastie of doing so; perhaps this is some kind of slip or typo. Either way its a gross mistake.

This is a pretty serious accusation, Bob.

I have known Blixa for some time, and she is not the type of person to do something like that. Please point out the post where this occurred.

Bob wrote:I do not and never have hidden who I am. I may be uncomfortable with you posting my kids names -- one as young as six -- and then seeing board members make vulgar references to them

I would also like to comment here that Board Management does NOT condone this type of behavior. Bob, you KNOW that as soon as your information was posted, I not only removed it, but conducted an investigation to find out who the person who posted it was.

The poster who DID post that information had their IP address banned from this site.