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This is somewhat off-topic, I just wanted people to see it before it gets moved...

My step-sister who goes to school in Utah came down with a bad infection and was very seriously ill, to the point where my mother and step-father told me she may not make it. After a week in the hospital, she is doing better, but I went to my email inbox to find that I was CC'd on the following email from my step-father - needless to say he's one of the F.A.R.M.S cronies and what I consider to be a Mormon Blowhard:

Hello Family, Friends, Colleagues, Students, and Saints:

There are several reasons we have seen what was a very ominous situation become a very hopeful situation. First and foremost, if her cousin, *****, had not followed her premonition to check on **** last Monday, and then get her to the hospital, we might be having a very different (and tragic) report to give you.

We are certain that the prayers and positive thoughts offered by so many people played a significant and profound part in ****'s healing. Also, the many expressions of concern, hope, and love offered by many people that contacted us via email, telephone, and text messaging, enabled ***** to know that you are all rooting for her, and this gave her (and us) strength.

Also, in our LDS faith community, we give actual priesthood blessings by the laying on of hands as discussed in the New Testament and elsewhere, and ***** was the recipient of several of these. I was present for some of them and was struck by the amazing power and faith of one David ****, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder and a man without guile, who boldly rebuked the very disease that brought harm to our daughter.

And something more: members of our congregation back in California, along with others, fasted on behalf of her, and we believe this had a profound effect in opening the heavens and receiving a miracle.....

I want to ask him why God decided to give this poor girl such a horrible disease, or why the priesthood blessings didn't cure her outright, and so on...

GoodK wrote:I want to ask him why God decided to give this poor girl such a horrible disease, or why the priesthood blessings didn't cure her outright, and so on...

Glad your step-sister is okay. :)

I don't understand that logic either, really. My mother pulled the same stunt with me last year. She had my name put on a list of people that needed prayers at her Church. I was soooooo humiliated to be on that list. Anyway, turns out I was fine, and then she claimed all those prayers must have helped me. Nooooo, I just wasn't sick! :)

I did, however, ask her why she attributed my "cure" to God and yet not the disease (that I didn't have) to God?

*crickets*

:)

GoodK wrote:This is somewhat off-topic, I just wanted people to see it before it gets moved...


My step-sister who goes to school in Utah came down with a bacterial meningitus and was very seriously ill, to the point where my mother and step-father told me she may not make it. After a week in the hospital, she is doing better, but I went to my email inbox to find that I was CC'd on the following email from my step-father - needless to say he's one of the F.A.R.M.S cronies and what I consider to be a Mormon Blowhard:

Hello Family, Friends, Colleagues, Students, and Saints:

There are several reasons we have seen what was a very ominous situation become a very hopeful situation. First and foremost, if her cousin, Diana, had not followed her premonition to check on Nicole last Monday, and then get her to the hospital, we might be having a very different (and tragic) report to give you.

We are certain that the prayers and positive thoughts offered by so many people played a significant and profound part in Nicole's healing. Also, the many expressions of concern, hope, and love offered by many people that contacted us via email, telephone, and text messaging, enabled Nicole to know that you are all rooting for her, and this gave her (and us) strength.

Also, in our LDS faith community, we give actual priesthood blessings by the laying on of hands as discussed in the New Testament and elsewhere, and Nicole was the recipient of several of these. I was present for some of them and was struck by the amazing power and faith of one David ****, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder and a man without guile, who boldly rebuked the very disease that brought harm to our daughter.

And something more: members of our congregation back in California, along with others, fasted on behalf of her, and we believe this had a profound effect in opening the heavens and receiving a miracle.....

I want to ask him why God decided to give this poor girl such a horrible disease, or why the priesthood blessings didn't cure her outright, and so on...

Back to the Kelp for you Goodk. You seem to be, unfortunately, just as I suspected. This post is both too facile and too conspicuously evil in its ground and intent to do any justice to by way of refutation.

Then why did waste the energy to post, Coggins?

Hi Angela. Long time no brawl.

Well, all I can say if there are people who have the ability to truly heal someone, how about they all go to Africa and heal all the millions of people dying of AIDS? What about the thousands and thousands of children who are struggling with autism? How about they go and heal the 30,000 children who will starve to death this very day? How about they go into every hospital in the country and start healing all the folks dying of cancer?

Certainly such an ability to heal would be helpful in healing the millions of people with mental health challenges? All the wonderful disabled folks throughout the world? What about those getting killed in various wars on our planet? And burn victims for sure need healings.

Seriously...

And, I have to wonder, what sort of God creates a plan where only those who have relatives and friends with a special power get healed? And the only folks who get the power are those men who believe in Joseph Smith?

Then again, there are those throughout the world who have seen "miraculous" healings, who have never heard of Joseph Smith or the LDS church or anything like the priesthood power.

Hmmm...


~dancer~

Well, all I can say if there are people who have the ability to truly heal someone, how about they all go to Africa and heal all the millions of people dying of AIDS? What about the thousands and thousands of children who are struggling with autism? How about they go and heal the 30,000 children who will starve to death this very day? How about they go into every hospital in the country and start healing all the folks dying of cancer?

1. First, however, perhaps God should reign fire and brimstone down on all those hip, affluent, socially conscious liberals who saw to it that over 30 million of those poor Africans died needlessly of Maleria over the past 35 years or so. You may cease your great, swelling moral pose for the poor Dancer, before I lose my dinner.

2. This is too facile to be believed. Both your intellect and your imagination appear to be mental ghettos, devoid of substance or creativity.

And, I have to wonder, what sort of God creates a plan where only those who have relatives and friends with a special power get healed? And the only folks who get the power are those men who believe in Joseph Smith?

The power to heal is exclusive to the Church yes, but the Lord heals who he will, and no one to my knowledge has claimed that healings do not occur outside the Church. The men who hold that special power are men who live the commandments of God to the best of their ability and observe their covenants.

Then again, there are those throughout the world who have seen "miraculous" healings, who have never heard of Joseph Smith or the LDS church or anything like the priesthood power.

Hmmm...

But without the Priesthood, and without the Gift of the Holy Ghost, these phenomena are intermittent and without the specific knowledge that allows them to become a path to greater faith and understanding of the truth. Miracles are points of contact with the divine for the Saints, not for those outside the Gospel. To the extent this happens, it is because the Lord wills that such occurs for his own purposes. The power of the Priesthood to bless is unique to the Church because it is only within the Church that the fullness of the Gospel and the plan of salvation are known.

It takes evil--truly pitiable evil--to turn this mans love, concern, and compassion for another and his use of his Priesthood to bless and comfort, into a disreputable action and the person himself into a "blowhard".

Abject, Stygian evil.

GIMR wrote:Then why did waste the energy to post, Coggins?

To reinforce the commonly held belief that he is just simply a dick?

Another intellectual ghetto dweller?

My how they accumulate.

TD

Well, all I can say if there are people who have the ability to truly heal someone, how about they all go to Africa and heal all the millions of people dying of AIDS? What about the thousands and thousands of children who are struggling with autism? How about they go and heal the 30,000 children who will starve to death this very day? How about they go into every hospital in the country and start healing all the folks dying of cancer?

Certainly such an ability to heal would be helpful in healing the millions of people with mental health challenges? All the wonderful disabled folks throughout the world? What about those getting killed in various wars on our planet? And burn victims for sure need healings.

Yeah, no kidding!