Magic/power of being a prophet is gone?

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:05 am

Reading about each "prophet" through the history of the LDS church I see a wanning of the supposed "prophetic" abilities.

Hinckley has just about removed all "prophetic" abilities from that office.

Why is this? Did god decide he nolonger needed such a man on earth?

Or is it part of the "mainstreaming" that Hinckley started many years even before to remove the weird and bizarre from the public image of LDS?

Post by **_Sam Harris** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:07 pm

To be honest with you, I think that Hinckley sought to mainstream the church as much and as quietly as possible. Once there was a discussion on another board about whether or not church leaders (and it might have been discussed here as well) knew that the church wasn't true, but they were carrying on the pretense for the sake of the members.

I think that Hinckley had a conscience, but didn't know how to face the heap of lies to be honest. So he sought the easiest compromise that would save him the most face. I think he was a kind man, I don't think he was a sinister man by any means. I think that Monson is definitely set to undo any progress that Hinckley tried to make in the church as far as any sort of cultural understanding or unification is concerned.

I think Hinckley tried to focus on the practical a lot more. Monson is going to focus on the fairytales a lot more...be prepared to hear a lot more "thus sayeth the Lords".

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:24 pm

I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

Post by **_Moniker** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:41 pm

The Nehor wrote:I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

What prophecies did Hinckley make? If he is in direct contact with God why would any be wrong? They should all be spot on, no? I don't understand the LDS mentality when it comes to prophets. Nehor, how do you know when the Prophet is talking for God or just as a man? Is that when the HG comes into the equation? Yet, if you have the HG why do you need the prophet at all? If the Prophet just speaks as a man what is his real purpose?

Post by **_Mercury** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:50 pm

The Nehor wrote:I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

I call BS

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:49 pm

The Nehor wrote:I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

What have you heard him prophesy of?

I remember going to general priesthood and Hinckley stating that we should have our 2 year food supply, but he made sure to make it a point to say that he doesn't have any special knowledge of any catastrophes coming soon. It was just good advice.

I think Hinckley very much shied away from prophesying.

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:45 pm

The Nehor wrote:I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

I am all ears... Please tell us of his great prophecies.

Did he predict the 2004 Tsunami? Nope.

9/11? Nope.

Iraq war? Nope.

End of Iraq war? Nope.

During his 2004 interview with larry king, the only example of a revelation he gave was to build the meganacle.

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:53 pm

Scottie wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I have to disagree with your assessment of Hinckley. I've seen him prophesy future events. A little risky if he's shooting for a safe way through the minefield. Particularly when you have better than 50/50 odds of being wrong.

What have you heard him prophesy of?

I remember going to general priesthood and Hinckley stating that we should have our 2 year food supply, but he made sure to make it a point to say that he doesn't have any special knowledge of any catastrophes coming soon. It was just good advice.

I think Hinckley very much shied away from prophesying.

He has because he knows it is pure BS and he knows that prospective members as well as many current members feel the same way with the exception of lonely single male members like Nehbor.

Post by **_John Larsen** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:01 pm

When was the last time any prophet made a prediction that came true? I am going to rule out wide category obvious items like war, earthquake and famine--anyone can get a hit on those.

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:27 pm

Look here for a great summary of Hinckley's prophetic powers: http://i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm