Proof that faith in the unseen is dangerous to us all

[_Tarski]

Avatar4321, a TBM from another board thinks that not only is it not desirable to worry about possible destruction of our environment, but that it is impossible!
The ecosystem is indestructable (or Jesus will clean it up anyway?)

I quote:

You know, I've never heard any Prophet, Seer, or Revelator preach what we would modernly call environmentalism.

They preach Jesus Christ, they preach the evils of certain sins, Faith, repentence, baptism. They preach faith, hope, charity, they preach of Temples and families. But never this so-called "environmentalism."

We have people preaching environmental destruction if we "save the planet" the solution ironically - give them power to enact laws punishing people they deem environmental polluters. Otherwise we will face catostrophic consequences.

I am not saying we shouldn't be good stewards. But I think it's interesting that if the environment is such a threat as it is that the Lord has not revealed it to anyone.

Honestly, I think it's a distraction. The advesary wants us to be distracted with trying to "save the planet" (as though we could destroy it), and ignore what's really important such as the break down of the family and preparing ourselves to be sealed through generations in the Temple. It's also a convenient way to explain away the actions the Lord will take in the last days to warn the people. When the testimony of lightnings, tempests, floods, fires, earthquares, tsunamis etc occur to proclaim repentence and the coming of the Lord, the "educated" will blame global warming or some other environmental problem rather than addressing the real causes of it.

This actually sickens me.

Oh, I like the part where he is blaming things on the devil too. Neato.

[_Dr. Shades]

I find that downright scary.

[_Scottie]

Certainly humans don't have the capacity to destroy the planet. Nope. All those thousands of nuclear weapons couldn't do squat.

[_truth dancer]

This is an example of why Mormonism just didn't work for me.

It is not the history, not Joseph Smith's unseemly behavior, not the Book of Abraham, no Book of Mormon evidence, etc. etc., it is the mindset that is so out of harmony and out of touch, with reality.

Like others, I find this worldview scary.

The idea that we don't have to solve any of our problems because Christ is going to return and make it all better is one of the most damaging mindsets currently on our earth.

in my opinion, unless we realize that WE have to change, we will not come up with the solutions to our current challenges.

Now, technically I don't think we could actually "destroy" the planet as in blowing it up so it doesn't exist, but we can most definitely make it uninhabitable for many species including humankind. In fact we are clearly moving in that direction.

~dancer~

[_harmony]

This is an example of why Mormonism just didn't work for me.

It is not the history, not Joseph Smith's unseemly behavior, not the Book of Abraham, no Book of Mormon evidence, etc. etc., it is the mindset that is so out of harmony and out of touch, with reality.

Like others, I find this worldview scary.

The idea that we don't have to solve any of our problems because Christ is going to return and make it all better is one of the most damaging mindsets currently on our earth.

in my opinion, unless we realize that WE have to change, we will not come up with the solutions to our current challenges.

Now, technically I don't think we could actually "destroy" the planet as in blowing it up so it doesn't exist, but we can most definitely make it uninhabitable for many species including humankind. In fact we are clearly moving in that direction.

~dancer~

Mormons don't have a lock on the "Christ will return ..." blah blah blah. Many Evangelicals have the same lack of concern.

Getting Mormons to acknowledge that recycling is good, that the internal combustion engine is detrimental to the ozone, that polluting our rivers and oceans is suicide is as easy as getting them to contribute to charities not affiliated with the LDS church... ie, almost impossible.

[_dartagnan]

Well, I've heard this argument from several contexts, so it isn't something unique to Mormonism or even religion in general. You just heard a Mormon reiterate a popular political argument that has been given a religious twist to it.

It certainlty isn't "Proof that faith in the unseen is dangerous to us all." I think tarski might have been speaking facetiously. It is an argument against the left's "save the planet" mantra. Rush Limbaugh forwarded this at least a decade ago, and it isn't without its points. A summary goes something like this.

Who are we to be so arrogant as to think we could actually "destroy the planet"? The planet has been here longer than all of us and it has withstood climate shifts, meteors, maybe asteroids, volcanic activity that dumps billions of tons of sulfer and other poisons in the atmosphere, etc.

Mt. St. Helens was said to have been as powerful as 100 Hiroshimas and it dumped more toxins into the atmosphere than we could hope to do in ten years with carbon monoxide fumes. Yet, the earth adapted and overcame as it always has.

[_Tarski]

Well, I've heard this argument from several contexts, so it isn't something unique to Mormonism or even religion in general. You just heard a Mormon reiterate a popular political argument that has been given a religious twist to it.

It certainlty isn't "Proof that faith in the unseen is dangerous to us all." I think tarski might have been speaking facetiously. It is an argument against the left's "save the planet" mantra. Rush Limbaugh forwarded this at least a decade ago, and it isn't without its points. A summary goes something like this.

Who are we to be so arrogant as to think we could actually "destroy the planet"? The planet has been here longer than all of us and it has withstood climate shifts, meteors, maybe asteroids, volcanic activity that dumps billions of tons of sulfer and other poisons in the atmosphere, etc.

Mt. St. Helens was said to have been as powerful as 100 Hiroshimas and it dumped more toxins into the atmosphere than we could hope to do in ten years with carbon monoxide fumes. Yet, the earth adapted and overcame as it always has.

Unfortunately this little bit of equivocation is poisonous. Nobody talking in this context ever meant by "destroy the planet" anything more than make human life either impossible or painful. We all know the cockroaches would survive but that's no consolation to me or my childrens children. I want my children to have blue skys, trees and fresh water.

Oh, and Rush Pills Limbaugh is in fact a douche bag and wrong every chance he gets. He realizes that he is equivocating on the meaning of "destroy the planet". He cynically hopes his listeners are stupid enough not to notice.

[_truth dancer]

Mormons don't have a lock on the "Christ will return ..." blah blah blah. Many Evangelicals have the same lack of concern.

Yeah, you are right.

Literally five minutes before I got on my computer I was having a discussion about some of the recent stats concerning the health of our planet. I was stating how I never heard any prophet or leader discuss the necessity to respect our earth, or care for all of life, or take responsibility for how we are harming our planet.

in my opinion, nothing else much matters if we don't have clean water to drink, food to eat, and fresh air to breath. If we harm our planet to the point that it cannot sustain life, who cares about Joseph Smith, or Allah, or what tribe one is from, or how many temples the church can build?

The prophet is worried about numbers of earrings, building a mall in SLC, and what color of shirts one wears to church while we continue to harm our planet... it makes no sense to me.

~dancer~

[_dartagnan]

Please don't think I'm endorsing Limbaugh. Hell no. And I seriously doubt Limbaugh was the one who came up with this argument. I just remember him mentioning it at east ten years ago, and that was the first time I had heard it. Since then I have heard it many times, and never in a religious context.

I'm just saying that this is not a religious argument.

And I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The context of that poster's comment indicates he/she is referring to pollution in general. You seem to be talking about a nuclear winter on a global scale.

[_Tarski]

Please don't think I'm endorsing Limbaugh. Hell no. And I seriously doubt Limbaugh was the one who came up with this argument. I just remember him mentioning it at east ten years ago, and that was the first time I had heard it. Since then I have heard it many times, and never in a religious context.

I'm just saying that this is not a religious argument.

And I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The context of that poster's comment indicates he/she is referring to pollution in general. You seem to be talking about a nuclear winter on a global scale.

This "Avatar" dude just thinks that its the devil who wants us to be concerned about the environment and that destroying it is impossible-evidently because Jesus is coming soon anyway. I know this line of thinking well. My whole freakin' family indulges in it.