Stop the Darwin Doubters!!

[_beastie]

On another thread, dart provided a link to this article:

http://www.trueorigin.org/hitler01.asp

I found this comment in particular a bit confusing and interesting.

The churches’ sin was not in inspiring Hitler to commit his many crimes, but in not stopping him — the same sin that the churches are guilty of in the modern war against the Darwin doubters in the west today.

This author seems to be saying that churches ought to be "stopping Darwin doubters in the west" the same way they ought to have stopped Hitler.

Am I correct in my interpretation of this statement?

Who are the "Darwin doubters in the west today"? in my opinion, it can only mean atheists.

And what means would have been justified in stopping Hitler? in my opinion, any means would have been justified in stopping Hitler, including law, force, and even violence.

Are those same means justified in stopping the "Darwin doubters"?


And how much you want to bet that I can easily find other statements by believers that can just as readily be interpreted to mean that the theist would support the use of force, law, and even violence to stop atheists?

by the way, while it may be possible that some theists exist who are radical enough to support the use of law, force, and even violence to "stop the darwin doubters", I believe they would constitute a very small minority. Hence, I would not use these statements to imply or draw any generalization about theists overall. And, without supporting evidence, I would tend to interpret these comments as polemic rhetoric that actually do not mean the author would really support the use of law, force, and even violence to stop atheists.

Discussing religion is often volatile. People often make strident comments that - if one so chooses - can be deliberately interpreted in the worst possible manner in order to make the opponent look ridiculous or even dangerous. We see this tactic all the time at MAD.

And - in my opinion - we've also seen it lately on the various "atheist" threads here on this board.

[_beastie]

Oh, this is going to be so easy. I hardly takes any effort to find statements about atheists made by theists that can be interpreted in the worst possible fashion.

Consider the following statements from Atheists.

"Godism is consistent with crime, cruelty, envy, hatred, malice, and uncharitableness."
"As long as religious purposes are served, ethics, inquiry and reason are abandoned."
Are these the statements of tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to me that if the atheists who authored the above quotes were in power, with their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total annihilation of all things religious? Who would then be full of hatred, malice, and bigotry? It is something to ponder. Does atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and for those who disagree with it.

http://www.carm.org/atheism/atheistattacks.htm

So atheists would use the law to annihilate all things religious (does this sound familiar?). The author draws this conclusion because the atheist asserted that godism is consistent with crime, etc. But in the very same paragraph, the theist ALSO asserts that atheism teaches bondage for its adherents and those who disagree with it. Hmmm. So if the theist is saying atheism teaches bondage, then the theist is saying that atheism is bad and dangerous. Isn't bondage bad and dangerous? Well, then, "it seems to me that if the theist who authored the above quotes were in power, with their views of atheism leading to bondage, would they then either imprison the "offenders' or legistlate complete and total annihilation of all things atheist?"

See how easy - and FUN - this is?

[_beastie]

"Lastly, those are not all to be tolerated who deny the being of God. Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist. The taking away of God, though but even in thought, dissolves all; besides also, those that by their atheism undermine and destroy all religion, can have no pretence of religion whereupon to challenge the privilege of toleration." (John Locke, Treatise of Civil Government and A Letter Concerning Toleration)

http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/locke.htm

This one doesn't even need a spin!

[_beastie]

http://www.tencommandments.org/heathens2.shtml

QUESTION:

Where did you get the idea atheists hate God? How can you say something doesn't even exist, and hate it at the same time?

ANSWER:

That question is another example of the deception of atheism and how it deceives all its subjects. All atheists think in this deceptive manner. They think since they deny the existence of God, they cannot hate Him. But its really the other way around: they know He exists, that's why they hate Him. It is true that you cannot truly hate someone who does not exist. However atheists rationalize that the only existence of God is the "false god" professing Christians have devised and that's what they deny exists. It is true that false or nominal professing christians can devise false gods of their imagination. However, the one and only true God nevertheless exists apart from any god of the imagination. It is this true God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth - the God that is not a god of the imagination - whose existence atheists also deny, and it is this true God that they as well as all unregenerate mankind HATE.


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9/7/98


ATHEISTS CREATE CRIMINAL SOCIETIES
Have you ever noticed this fact: Atheists claim they do not believe in the existence of God MOST HIGH, their CREATOR. They also claim they do not believe in the existence of the chief of the fallen angels, namely, satan. However, 100% of their negative comment and fight is directed towards God. They never have a negative comment, nor do they wage war against their true master. So we challenge atheists to assess the true ramifications of these awful facts. Why are they compelled to spend so much effort denying the existence of God and fighting against Him as opposed to zero percent directed towards satan.

The answer should be quite apparent to all: It is because atheists are committing terrible, terrible crimes in the sight of God. They are doing the devil's will. In other words, they are breaking God moral laws and are great sinners before God. If the Law of God was properly established throughout the american society and the world community, all atheists would be condemned - many to death because of their death worthy crimes and because true justice would then rule. So they must do all they can to save their necks. Even the most "educated" of them are high criminals who are compelled to always look over their shoulders at pursuing righteous justice.

America and the world community are in the terrible state they are in mainly because of atheists. The reasons should be apparent here also. It is because atheists who are high criminals before God govern america and the world. The ramifications of this fact are: when there is a society and world full of criminals, in order for them to feel safe in the world while they continue in their criminality, they must make the society and the world criminal. In other words, they must corrupt and obstruct the proper moral workings of government. In america, this means they must establish deep-pocketed heathen special interests groups to propose pagan legislation against God's morality, truth and righteousness. This means the removal of laws of justice and righteousness and the establishing of unrighteous laws and injustice to suite their evil philosophies, lifestyles and in order to save their necks.

Atheists hate God because they cannot survive happily and peacefully in a righteous society. The reason that is so is because they are servants of satan and thus high criminals in the sight of God.

So far this is my favorite. It also needs no spin.

[_beastie]

And, of course, I would be remiss if I did not include Jerry Falwell:

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... -2001Sep14

So, let's see. Among many others, including the ACLU which fights as aggressively for Christians as it does for atheists
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
"secularists" - ie, atheists - are to blame for 9/11.

If Jerry Falwell had the power to do so, does anyone doubt that he would, at the very least, use the power of the state to silence atheists?

[_beastie]

One more before I stop - the pope.

Pope Benedict XVI has strongly criticized atheism and blamed it for bringing about the ”greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice” ever known in history.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... uelty'.htm

[_Tarski]

On another thread, dart provided a link to this article:

http://www.trueorigin.org/hitler01.asp

I found this comment in particular a bit confusing and interesting.

The churches’ sin was not in inspiring Hitler to commit his many crimes, but in not stopping him — the same sin that the churches are guilty of in the modern war against the Darwin doubters in the west today.

This author seems to be saying that churches ought to be "stopping Darwin doubters in the west" the same way they ought to have stopped Hitler.

Am I correct in my interpretation of this statement?

Who are the "Darwin doubters in the west today"? in my opinion, it can only mean atheists..

That sounds backwards. Do evolutionists or atheists doubt Darwin?

[_harmony]

I thought Darwin doubters were the people who doubt evolution exists... In other words, the creationists.

[_beastie]

It is poorly written. The page is anti-evolution, however, so the idea that the "doubters" are doubting DARWIN and need to be stopped makes no sense. The "darwin doubters" are people who doubt the existence of God due to darwin.

[_moksha]

My first thought in looking at the initial link, was that some Creationists obviously have no shame in using the holocaust to make their point.