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Reading about Joseph Smith and early LDS church history led me to believe that Joseph Smith was killed by a mob of Masons. Yesterday I downloaded a file by Ed Decker - at MAD his name was always used with the word virul - so given they don't like him he must be okay. He was kind of crazy with the conspiracy thingy but what perked my ears up was when he said the masons killed Joseph Smith. Given the fact that Joseph stole the ceremony and reportedly tweaked it into an inspired version, one would think that this would not go unnoticed by the masons. I need to read Oaks book about conspiracy at carthage and check his facts and see what he has to say with the thought that he is writing to the LDS people. I also wonder if the reason the Nauvoo Legion did not rescue him was because they might have recognized that he had gone mad and it was they (who were masons) who took him out.

Yep, my brothers did it. Mwahahahahaaaaaa!!!

There was no hope for the widows son.

Mercury wrote:Yep, my brothers did it. Mwahahahahaaaaaa!!!

There was no hope for the widows son.

I wonder if Orson Hyde was in on it.

thestyleguy wrote:Reading about Joseph Smith and early LDS church history led me to believe that Joseph Smith was killed by a mob of Masons. Yesterday I downloaded a file by Ed Decker - at MAD his name was always used with the word virul - so given they don't like him he must be okay. He was kind of crazy with the conspiracy thingy but what perked my ears up was when he said the masons killed Joseph Smith. Given the fact that Joseph stole the ceremony and reportedly tweaked it into an inspired version, one would think that this would not go unnoticed by the masons. I need to read Oaks book about conspiracy at carthage and check his facts and see what he has to say with the thought that he is writing to the LDS people. I also wonder if the reason the Nauvoo Legion did not rescue him was because they might have recognized that he had gone mad and it was they (who were masons) who took him out.

So far as I can tell, he betrayed the very blood oath that he took as a Mason. Now, I could be wrong in that but that is my understanding of it. There had to be Mason's in the mob, else why would Joseph have used the sign of distress?

There is no good evidence that Joseph's murder was a masonic conspiracy.

Ed Decker is as unreliable and suspect a source as MAD apologists are.

beastie wrote:Ed Decker is as unreliable and suspect a source as MAD apologists are.

Agreed

thestyleguy wrote:Reading about Joseph Smith and early LDS church history led me to believe that Joseph Smith was killed by a mob of Masons.

My studies have led me to believe while there were Masons in the group, it wasn't a "Masonic" mob.

thestyleguy wrote:Yesterday I downloaded a file by Ed Decker - at MAD his name was always used with the word virul - so given they don't like him he must be okay.

He's an idiot, who overgeneralizes, and takes things out of context. I believe the mopologist crowd loves him because they can point to all the errors in his work (Saints Alive).

thestyleguy wrote:He was kind of crazy with the conspiracy thingy but what perked my ears up was when he said the masons killed Joseph Smith. Given the fact that Joseph stole the ceremony and reportedly tweaked it into an inspired version, one would think that this would not go unnoticed by the masons.

Decker thinks the Masons are as demonic a cult as Mormons.

thestyleguy wrote: I need to read Oaks book about conspiracy at carthage and check his facts and see what he has to say with the thought that he is writing to the LDS people. I also wonder if the reason the Nauvoo Legion did not rescue him was because they might have recognized that he had gone mad and it was they (who were masons) who took him out.

Sounds a bit "conspiracy". How about he was gaining political power, was boinking locals daughters, and suppressing local media. General town folks got tied of it and took care of it.


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In the footnotes to Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon? The Spalding Enigma, there's an account of a woman who was told, by her elderly relative who was an insider in Nauvoo, that the assassination was orchestrated so that Sydney Rigdon could ascend to the throne and be easily manipulated afterward.

Sydney himself wasn't in on it. John C. Bennett was named as one of the people behind-the-scenes, along with a couple of other big names we've all heard of (but which escape me now). I no longer have the book--I mailed it to Ray A--so I can't look it up anymore.

So take that for what you will.

Dr. Shades wrote:In the footnotes to Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon? The Spalding Enigma, there's an account of a woman who was told, by her elderly relative who was an insider in Nauvoo, that the assassination was orchestrated so that Sydney Rigdon could ascend to the throne and be easily manipulated afterward.

Sydney himself wasn't in on it. John C. Bennett was named as one of the people behind-the-scenes, along with a couple of other big names we've all heard of (but which escape me now). I no longer have the book--I mailed it to Ray A--so I can't look it up anymore.

So take that for what you will.

Rigdon was living in Pittsburgh at the time campaigning as Joseph's Vice President. I think it is unlikely.