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Keep in mind that in my theory, 'preAdamites', which may or may not physically be homo sapiens, do not have spirits that are literal spirit children of God as is LDS doctrine on what makes a 'man' or 'human'.

Adam's mother had a spirit but not a spirit that is a literal spirit child of God?

What constitutes a literal spirit child? What does literal mean here?
Are you talking spirit copulation, spirit ovum, spirit spermatazoa, spirit womb, spirit fetus and placenta?


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Are animal spirits at least created by God in some sense?

Keep in mind that in my theory, 'preAdamites', which may or may not physically be homo sapiens, do not have spirits that are literal spirit children of God as is LDS doctrine on what makes a 'man' or 'human'.

Adam's mother had a spirit but not a spirit that is a literal spirit child of God?

Correct.

What constitutes a literal spirit child? What does literal mean here?
Are you talking spirit copulation, spirit ovum, spirit spermatazoa, spirit womb, spirit fetus and placenta?

Possibly. We don't know how that comes about, but the doctrine is that the literal parents of our spirits are HF and HM.

Are animal spirits at least created by God in some sense?

Yes.

Consider....

That part of a living being which exists before mortal birth, which dwells in the physical body during mortality, and which exists after death as a separate being until the resurrection. All living things—mankind, animals, and plants—were spirits before any form of life existed upon the earth (Gen. 2: 4-5; Moses 3: 4-7). The spirit body looks like the physical body (1 Ne. 11: 11; Ether 3: 15-16; D&C 77: 2; D&C 129). Spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure than mortal element or matter (D&C 131: 7).

Every person is literally a son or a daughter of God, having been born as a spirit to Heavenly Parents before being born to mortal parents on the earth (Heb. 12: 9). Each person on earth has an immortal spirit body in addition to a body of flesh and bone. As sometimes defined in scripture, the spirit and the physical body together constitute the soul (Gen. 2: 7; D&C 88: 15; Moses 3: 7, 9, 19; Abr. 5: 7).

Guide To The Scriptures - Spirit

And as a side note for a related issue ("The Devil is your brother!?" question)...

Satan. The devil is the enemy of righteousness and of those who seek to do the will of God. He is literally a spirit son of God and was at one time an angel in authority in the presence of God (Isa. 14: 12; 2 Ne. 2: 17). However, he rebelled in the premortal life and persuaded a third part of the spirit children of the Father to rebel with him (D&C 29: 36; Moses 4: 1-4; Abr. 3: 27-28). They were cast out of heaven, were denied the opportunity of obtaining mortal bodies and experiencing mortal life, and will be eternally damned. Since the time the devil was cast out of heaven, he has sought constantly to deceive all men and women and lead them away from the work of God in order to make all mankind as miserable as he is (Rev. 12: 9; 2 Ne. 2: 27; 9: 8-9).

Guide To The Scriptures - Devil

bcspace wrote:

Keep in mind that in my theory, 'preAdamites', which may or may not physically be homo sapiens, do not have spirits that are literal spirit children of God as is LDS doctrine on what makes a 'man' or 'human'.

Adam's mother had a spirit but not a spirit that is a literal spirit child of God?

Correct.

What constitutes a literal spirit child? What does literal mean here?
Are you talking spirit copulation, spirit ovum, spirit spermatazoa, spirit womb, spirit fetus and placenta?

Possibly. We don't know how that comes about, but the doctrine is that the literal parents of our spirits are HF and HM.

Possibly? You used the word literal. Now you tell me we don't know? Tell me, based on what you do know, what justifies the use of the word literal?

Also, where in the scriptures is this? If it is not in the scriptures then how is it more of a definite doctrine than say, BR McConkie's or JFS's anti-evolution stuff?

Show me the definitive scripture that unequivocally shows that the spirits are literal offspring and then tell me what this means.

By the way, do our spirits look like HF and HM but our earthly bodies look like our parents (think genetics of hair color, nose size, height etc)?

Why would spirits being literally born to HM have the form of an evolved primate? Evolution led to the human form by a biohistorically contingent process.

How does a spirit body come out of a resurrected physical body? Wouldn't offspring of a physical bodily God be physical?

This doesn't make any sense at all.
Plus, your picture of how it works makes Ed Decker's movies anything but an exageration.

D&C 15 And the spirit and the body are the soul of man.

No "literal" there.


Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

No literal there (and obviously a metaphor as in ""The Father of Our Salvation")

Possibly? You used the word literal. Now you tell me we don't know? Tell me, based on what you do know, what justifies the use of the word literal?

'Possibly' refers to the process which you mentioned. Doesn't speak to the issue of literal parentage at all.

Also, where in the scriptures is this? If it is not in the scriptures then how is it more of a definite doctrine than say, BR McConkie's or JFS's anti-evolution stuff?

To what are you refering? My theory is just that, not doctrine.

Otherwise, the LDS stance on doctrine is that which is published by the Church. Doctrine is not canon, but the interpretation of such or that of modern prophecy.

By the way, do our spirits look like HF and HM but our earthly bodies look like our parents (think genetics of hair color, nose size, height etc)?

Ether 3:16 seems to be a good indication.

Why would spirits being literally born to HM have the form of an evolved primate? Evolution led to the human form by a biohistorically contingent process.

Since God set it all into motion with this outcome in mind, how is such unreasonable or even in conflict with LDS doctrine?

How does a spirit body come out of a resurrected physical body? Wouldn't offspring of a physical bodily God be physical?

Sounds like a good reason for me to say 'possibly' as per the above.

This doesn't make any sense at all.
Plus, your picture of how it works makes Ed Decker's movies anything but an exageration.

I suspect that's because you are filling in the gaps with nonexistent doctrine.

D&C 15 And the spirit and the body are the soul of man.

No "literal" there.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

No literal there (and obviously a metaphor as in ""The Father of Our Salvation")

And this conflicts with LDS doctrine how?

bcspace wrote:

D&C 15 And the spirit and the body are the soul of man.

No "literal" there.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

No literal there (and obviously a metaphor as in ""The Father of Our Salvation")

And this conflicts with LDS doctrine how?

So the "literal" thing is now just an opinion of yours? Huh?
If so, I suggest you rethink it. It leads to all sorts of anti-biological and theological absurdities.

And this conflicts with LDS doctrine how?

So the "literal" thing is now just an opinion of yours? Huh?

And you are comming to that conclusion how?

If so, I suggest you rethink it. It leads to all sorts of anti-biological and theological absurdities.

Such as?

Tarski!

Do You think that any apologist/member of The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints can use any word according to common sense?

http://newsroom.LDS.org/ldsnewsroom/eng ... n-doctrine:

Those writing or commenting on Latter-day Saint doctrine also need to understand that certain words in the Mormon vocabulary have slightly different meanings and connotations than those same words have in other religions.

... than those same words have in common usage ...

Principal? Literal? Horse?

Should I tell You simpler words? We can find examples to redefinition of black and white. Or was it only private opinion of the Lord's anointed?

Principal? Literal? Horse?

Should I tell You simpler words? We can find examples to redefinition of black and white. Or was it only private opinion of the Lord's anointed?

I think most of you understand exactly what is meant by being a literal spirit child of God. But I also think many of you choose to confuse the end product with the process of creation.