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And on sites/boards like this.

Ten years ago on Beliefnet...such things were debated everlastingly. Fifteen years ago at mormon-l...such things were debated everlastingly. Five years ago on ZLMB (now defunct)...such things were debated everlastingly. The debate goes on because the critics everlastingly keep bringing up the same debate topics...as if they were new.

Fifteen years from now on a "cutting edge" board such as this one, the same everlasting debate(s) will continue...at the behest of the critics who just can't get enough.

Titillation comes in many forms.

And the caravan moves on.

mentalgymnast wrote:Critics came first, apologetics second. It's the critics that are everlastingly and perpetually in motion to discredit Mormonism. It's a never ending saga.

Regards,
MG

Trevor wrote:

mentalgymnast wrote:Critics came first, apologetics second. It's the critics that are everlastingly and perpetually in motion to discredit Mormonism. It's a never ending saga.

Regards,
MG

Interesting point, MG, although one might add that Mormonism emerged as a kind of criticism of mainstream Christianity, to which Christians responded by criticizing Mormonism.

When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?
Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more of them.
I soon found, however, that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religion, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects—all united to persecute me.
It caused me serious reflection then, and often has since, how very strange it was that an obscure boy, of a little over fourteen years of age, and one, too, who was doomed to the necessity of obtaining a scanty maintenance by his daily labor, should be thought a character of sufficient importance to attract the attention of the great ones of the most popular sects of the day, and in a manner to create in them a spirit of the most bitter persecution and reviling. But strange or not, so it was, and it was often the cause of great sorrow to myself.

mentalgymnast wrote:He sort of nailed it, huh?

Regards,
MG

mentalgymnast wrote:That's pretty much the scenario that Joseph Smith put into writing, although he put God at the center of the whole thing:

harmony wrote:

mentalgymnast wrote:He sort of nailed it, huh?

Regards,
MG

Not if he made it all up.