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Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Yeah, but that's only the false seers. The real seers use peepstones that really work, and God gives them revelations through them. This is obviously totally different than Satan giving false revelation to false seers through bad seerstones.

WoHoah. That is HUGE!

tumult wrote:Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Not being Utah Mormon I'm not exactly sure who Bruce McConkie is, but I think he's Utah Mormon? I would imagine he made this statement because he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith used a peep stone but the Urim and Thummim. There were claims that Joseph Smith used a peep stone in translation of the Book of Mormon but these claims came from people that were not directly involved with the translation. Second hand accounts. There is a history of a peep stone that was used, not by Joseph by someone else, and from what I remember Joseph Smith did not approve. I've been digging stuff up on this for another thread but haven't posted anything yet as I've been a little lazy. But will.

RockHeaded

RockHeaded wrote:

tumult wrote:Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Not being Utah Mormon I'm not exactly sure who Bruce McConkie is, but I think he's Utah Mormon? I would imagine he made this statement because he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith used a peep stone but the Urim and Thummim. There were claims that Joseph Smith used a peep stone in translation of the Book of Mormon but these claims came from people that were not directly involved with the translation. Second hand accounts. There is a history of a peep stone that was used, not by Joseph by someone else, and from what I remember Joseph Smith did not approve. I've been digging stuff up on this for another thread but haven't posted anything yet as I've been a little lazy. But will.

RockHeaded

McConkie was one of the Twelve Apostles for goodness' sake!

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_R._McConkie

Here are his (very influential) published works, listed in the reference I give:


* Doctrines of Salvation, by President Joseph Fielding Smith, compiled by Bruce R McConkie: Volume 1, 1954; Volume 2, 1955; Volume 3, 1956.
* Mormon Doctrine, A Compendium of the Gospel, 1958.
* Mormon Doctrine, Second Edition, 1966.
* Doctrinal New Testament Commentary: Volume 1, The Gospels, 1965. Volume 2, Acts–Philippians, 1970. Volume 3, Colossians–Revelation, 1972.
* The Messiah Series, six-volume set that includes the following three Messiah titles
o The Promised Messiah, 1978.
o The Mortal Messiah, four volumes, 1979-1981.
o The Millennial Messiah, 1982.
* A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, 1985

Although Mormon Doctrine was officially labelled as 'not doctrine' the fact is that many ordinary LDS seem to have treated his writing as authoritative. His view on the peep-stone question is unlikely to have been quite unrepresentative of what other GAs thought.

Chap wrote:

RockHeaded wrote:

tumult wrote:Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Not being Utah Mormon I'm not exactly sure who Bruce McConkie is, but I think he's Utah Mormon? I would imagine he made this statement because he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith used a peep stone but the Urim and Thummim. There were claims that Joseph Smith used a peep stone in translation of the Book of Mormon but these claims came from people that were not directly involved with the translation. Second hand accounts. There is a history of a peep stone that was used, not by Joseph by someone else, and from what I remember Joseph Smith did not approve. I've been digging stuff up on this for another thread but haven't posted anything yet as I've been a little lazy. But will.

RockHeaded

McConkie was one of the Twelve Apostles for goodness' sake!

Thanks for cleaing that up, but like I said I am not Utah Mormon. Being one of their twelve apostles does nothing for me, but I am sure that he was a good guy.

RockHeaded

RockHeaded wrote:

Chap wrote:

RockHeaded wrote:

tumult wrote:Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Not being Utah Mormon I'm not exactly sure who Bruce McConkie is, but I think he's Utah Mormon? I would imagine he made this statement because he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith used a peep stone but the Urim and Thummim. There were claims that Joseph Smith used a peep stone in translation of the Book of Mormon but these claims came from people that were not directly involved with the translation. Second hand accounts. There is a history of a peep stone that was used, not by Joseph by someone else, and from what I remember Joseph Smith did not approve. I've been digging stuff up on this for another thread but haven't posted anything yet as I've been a little lazy. But will.

RockHeaded

McConkie was one of the Twelve Apostles for goodness' sake!

Thanks for cleaing that up, but like I said I am not Utah Mormon. Being one of their twelve apostles does nothing for me, but I am sure that he was a good guy.

RockHeaded

Is that why you were asking for the marriage license? You are CoC? No, there wasn't a marriage license. Mormon elders were denied the right to perform marriages, and even then, a plural marriage could never get a license. The Ann Eliza Young case establishes this point.

rcrocket wrote:

RockHeaded wrote:

Chap wrote:

RockHeaded wrote:

tumult wrote:Bruce R. McConkie made this statement: "In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, the devil gives his own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal balls" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.565-66).

I pulled this from a post at another LDS information website.

Not being Utah Mormon I'm not exactly sure who Bruce McConkie is, but I think he's Utah Mormon? I would imagine he made this statement because he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith used a peep stone but the Urim and Thummim. There were claims that Joseph Smith used a peep stone in translation of the Book of Mormon but these claims came from people that were not directly involved with the translation. Second hand accounts. There is a history of a peep stone that was used, not by Joseph by someone else, and from what I remember Joseph Smith did not approve. I've been digging stuff up on this for another thread but haven't posted anything yet as I've been a little lazy. But will.

RockHeaded

McConkie was one of the Twelve Apostles for goodness' sake!

Thanks for cleaing that up, but like I said I am not Utah Mormon. Being one of their twelve apostles does nothing for me, but I am sure that he was a good guy.

RockHeaded

Is that why you were asking for the marriage license? You are CoC? No, there wasn't a marriage license. Mormon elders were denied the right to perform marriages, and even then, a plural marriage could never get a license. The Ann Eliza Young case establishes this point.

I was asking the marriage license question because it was a good point. That poor girl was made fun of because she didn't know her church believes Joseph Smith was married to a 14 year old girl. The point was, there isn't a license therefore no marriage. You are taking this thread of course, but I might suggest you read the D&C it states all marriages withen the church require a marriage license.

The way you tell a good seer from a bad seer is you shake his hand. If he smells like he hasn't showered in a week, he's definitely bad. (All the good ones are wealthy businessmen who wear suits and have immaculate hygiene!)

rcrocket wrote:

Is that why you were asking for the marriage license? You are CoC? No, there wasn't a marriage license. Mormon elders were denied the right to perform marriages, and even then, a plural marriage could never get a license. The Ann Eliza Young case establishes this point.

Plural Marriage equals Polygamy. Please Check Out and See:

Plural Marriage or Polygamy?:
http://www.mormondiscussions.com/discus ... php?t=6053

Brigham Young's Wives and His Divorce From Ann Eliza Webb:
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bri ... swives.htm