Help re: Landmark Education

Post by **_Sethbag** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:52 pm

My wife's got this co-worker trying to pressure her into going to a Landmark Education introductory seminar. She doesn't want to go, but she's already said she would, because this lady was persistent and my wife doesn't know how to say no. She already tried to cancel with this lady and the lady got upset because Kristin had "committed" to go and was backing out, and my wife backed down and said she'd go after all. I'm trying to get her to call the lady back and just say no and not go.

My daughter went to an introductory seminar from this group once because of her cousin and aunt and uncle who went, but my daughter said it was wierd and they put some really high pressure on people to continue on and get involved in it. She said they actually went around the room and asked each and every person if they were interested in continuing on or not, and if the person said no they had to sort of justify why not in front of everyone there. It's like they had to have excuses, or else the presumption was that they should go.

I read a little bit about this group before and what I read screamed out to me that she ought to just not get involved at all. But if she asks me specifically why I don't have much to go on.

Can someone help me out here? If you know anything about Landmark Education, what's the deal with them? What can I tell my wife about them which "justifies" the conclusion that this is a group she'd be well-advised to just steer clear of?

Post by **_truth dancer** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:59 pm

Hey Sethbag,

This is a pretty good site with some interesting information!

Maybe the fact that there is a little Scientology connection will raise a red flag?

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l30.html

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:00 pm

Nothing more than a motivation speech scam.

"Pay us money and we will tell you what you already know, but will make it sound exciting and new!"

Look at the scammer Steven Covey. He made millions doing the exact same thing.

Post by **_moksha** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:09 pm

I think between the Landmark Forum and A Course in Miracles, there are some pretty good ideas. The trick is to take the useful information and leave your pocketbook intact.

I am also a fan of Byron Katie's The Work. Put them all together and they can help solve a lot of problems people have with life.

Post by **_Tarski** » Sun May 11, 2008 6:01 am

Steer clear. I've seen lots of people waste money on these kind of things while they become progressively more annoying people.
There was lots of this while I was in LA and my wife wasted some of our money on something like this.
http://skepdic.com/landmark.html

Post by **_Mercury** » Mon May 12, 2008 1:19 am

moksha wrote:I think between the Landmark Forum and A Course in Miracles, there are some pretty good ideas. The trick is to take the useful information and leave your pocketbook intact.

I am also a fan of Byron Katie's The Work. Put them all together and they can help solve a lot of problems people have with life.

Self Help motivation is a cult. Get out while you can.

Post by **_Gadianton** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:49 am

Here's something to ponder on for those who think the church should be judged on how it's so good for families and all that; if the church fulfilled everyones lives like apologists claim it does, why are they the first to resort to "feel-good" multi-level marketing scams and motivational scams?

Post by **_The Dude** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:12 am

Gadianton wrote:...why are they the first to resort to "feel-good" multi-level marketing scams and motivational scams?

Well, obviously it's because they are so good at finding the scams that actually deliver!

Post by **_KimberlyAnn** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:18 am

Gadianton wrote:Here's something to ponder on for those who think the church should be judged on how it's so good for families and all that; if the church fulfilled everyones lives like apologists claim it does, why are they the first to resort to "feel-good" multi-level marketing scams and motivational scams?

Because Mormons are already in the biggest Celestial MLM program going! Latter-day Saints are God's downline and once they're gods, Mormon God goes Double Diamond!

KA

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Mon May 12, 2008 5:23 am

KimberlyAnn wrote:
Gadianton wrote:Here's something to ponder on for those who think the church should be judged on how it's so good for families and all that; if the church fulfilled everyones lives like apologists claim it does, why are they the first to resort to "feel-good" multi-level marketing scams and motivational scams?

Because Mormons are already in the biggest Celestial MLM program going! Latter-day Saints are God's downline and once they're gods, Mormon God goes Double Diamond!

KA

OMG! You nailed it KA.

MLM scams is not about selling products to customers, its all about getting people to join.

Just... like.... Mormonism....

D&C 18:15-16

15 And if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father!
16 And now, if your joy will be great with one soul that you have brought unto me into the kingdom of my Father, how great will be your joy if you should bring many souls unto me!

Mormonism is MLM Christianity.