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Milk before meat and tent cities

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:21 pm
by _Runtu
Most Mormons are familiar with the idea of teaching “milk before meat,” meaning that the basics of the gospel must be preached and understood before you can move on to the deeper doctrines (”meat”) of the gospel.

Many people in and out of the church have noted that for many years, church manuals and leaders’ addresses have focused exclusively on the milk. Our lesson manuals, for one, avoid the thornier issues; see, for example, the injunction in the Gospel Doctrine manual to avoid discussing polygamy when studying Doctrine and Covenants 132, which is largely about polygamy. Similarly, late church president Gordon B. Hinckley caused a bit of a stir when on national television he downplayed a core doctrine (the potential of humans to become like God), stating merely, “I don’t know that we teach it.”

I understand why they do this. Since 1970, the church has sought to control the content of its publications through a process called “correlation,” whereby all materials must be reviewed by a committee to ensure they are in line with established church doctrine. This process has indeed put a stop to the publishing of embarrassing statements through official channels, but it has had an unintended consequence.

People in the church know that the prophets used to be quite bold in declaring meat from the pulpit, and they wonder why such is not happening today. Into the vacuum of deep, dark mysteries step the conspiracy theorists, the religious fanatics, and the self-proclaimed prophets. I ran across one such group today, who call themselves “A Voice of Warning.”

These folks believe that “in the very near future (within a few years perhaps) there will probably come a call from the Prophet of the Church (the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve), through the proper priesthood channels, to the members of the Church to voluntarily gather to tent cities that will be primarily located in and around the Rocky Mountains.”

Why, you might ask, do they believe this in the absence of any suggestion whatsoever from church leaders that such a day is coming? The answer lies in the idea of milk before meat.

Why aren’t the brethren teaching about tent cities[?] I cannot speak for them, but may I suggest the point that the key to favorably responding to a call to a tent city, perhaps when there is no other reason than faith and obedience, will not happen unless the Church members are obeying the basics, referred to as the milk of the gospel.


You have to admire someone’s having a strong enough conviction to suggest that the reason that their own personal hobbyhorses aren’t being taught by prophets and apostles is that the rest of the church isn’t ready for such “meat.”

It’s ironic that the church’s efforts to rein in such speculation has in some ways encouraged it, although the church has been successful in pushing such stuff to the fringes.

I’m not too worried either way. I have a nice twelve-person tent in my garage.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:25 am
by _The Nehor
The meat of the Gospel is as easily if not more easily learned by simply spending time in the Scriptures (the source of much of it) and time in your knees listening to God (the source of the rest).

I do however think it is funny how the fringe views the meat of the Gospel. To me it is the understanding of the nature of God, the secrets to applying the Atonement, the methods of opening oneself to revelation, and the knowledge needed to develop virtue. Somehow to these people the meat of the Gospel is making sure you have a tent. I don't deny that someone might receive such an instruction but the idea that preparing to live in tents is the meat of the kingdom sounds as outlandish as the Word of Wisdom nuts and those convinced the devil is behind UFO sightings.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:50 am
by _Mercury
I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:02 am
by _Mister Scratch
The Nehor wrote:The meat of the Gospel is as easily if not more easily learned by simply spending time in the Scriptures (the source of much of it) and time in your knees listening to God (the source of the rest).

I do however think it is funny how the fringe views the meat of the Gospel. To me it is the understanding of the nature of God, the secrets to applying the Atonement, the methods of opening oneself to revelation, and the knowledge needed to develop virtue.


Good grief, Nehor, that's not what "meat" is at all. The "meat" is the stuff that would send potential converts packing---stuff like Kolob, or God having intercourse with Mary, or Blood Atonement. Perhaps you've got a point in terms of "applying the atonement" (vis-a-vis the temple), but aside from that you are seriously watering things down.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:09 am
by _The Nehor
Mister Scratch wrote:
The Nehor wrote:The meat of the Gospel is as easily if not more easily learned by simply spending time in the Scriptures (the source of much of it) and time in your knees listening to God (the source of the rest).

I do however think it is funny how the fringe views the meat of the Gospel. To me it is the understanding of the nature of God, the secrets to applying the Atonement, the methods of opening oneself to revelation, and the knowledge needed to develop virtue.


Good grief, Nehor, that's not what "meat" is at all. The "meat" is the stuff that would send potential converts packing---stuff like Kolob, or God having intercourse with Mary, or Blood Atonement. Perhaps you've got a point in terms of "applying the atonement" (vis-a-vis the temple), but aside from that you are seriously watering things down.


That's not meat Scratch. At most it's a mild seasoning. The average LDS member trying to get in connection with God doesn't fixate on those things. They're not the center of the Gospel and they aren't what lead people to God. Many know about them but can you explain how the idea of Kolob or how Jesus was created or the concept of Blood Atonement can be used to work out one's salvation? The meat of the Gospel is the Atonement. The good news that Jesus Christ worked out a method that we can transcend our sinful nature and become like God. That is the meat of the Gospel.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:11 am
by _Yoda
Mercury wrote:I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.


LOL! You're probably right! :)

by the way....Merc....completely off topic here...PLEASE change your avatar. Seeing Michael Ballum every time you post is creepy.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:13 am
by _Mercury
liz3564 wrote:
Mercury wrote:I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.


LOL! You're probably right! :)

by the way....Merc....completely off topic here...PLEASE change your avatar. Seeing Michael Ballum every time you post is creepy.


Run and Hide! Father is coming and you don't want to be seen associating with a creepy avatar, do you?!!

Eat the apple Liz.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:15 am
by _The Nehor
Mercury wrote:I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.


I hate to agree with Merc but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I remember the guy who used to give Second Coming firesides on how all evidence pointed to a large nuclear confrontation affecting the U.S. (The guy sold prefab bomb shelters and survival equipment)

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:28 am
by _Mercury
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.


I hate to agree with Merc but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I remember the guy who used to give Second Coming firesides on how all evidence pointed to a large nuclear confrontation affecting the U.S. (The guy sold prefab bomb shelters and survival equipment)


Good, your treatment seems to be taking its course. This is just the beginning.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:36 am
by _The Nehor
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:I am going to take a wild guess and say these guys are connected with a food storage/survivalist type MLM.


I hate to agree with Merc but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. I remember the guy who used to give Second Coming firesides on how all evidence pointed to a large nuclear confrontation affecting the U.S. (The guy sold prefab bomb shelters and survival equipment)


Good, your treatment seems to be taking its course. This is just the beginning.


The beginning of what? This happened years ago. I've always accepted that there are scumbags within my Church. If that were to knock down a testimony given by God I would deserve damnation (Edit: More then I already do).