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Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:45 am**

Dunno the validity of this, I haven't verified it. Frankly, whether it is true or not I think it needs to be held up as an example. This is a forwarded letter, the names of who forwarded it to me shall remain nameless to protect Mormon fanaticism.

I want to start dissecting this usual shotgun method of Garden Variety Mormon public speaking but I wanted everyone else to have a crack at it.

submitted by Some Retard, - Orem, Utah

This came from a member of the Highland Utah South Stake

On April 26, 2008, President Packer, of the Quorum of the 12, unexpectedly attended the Highland Utah South Stake Conference.

He spoke on some very sobering topics regarding the events that are about to come upon us. First he had his secretary, who lives in this stake, share her testimony. She quoted D&C 68:6:
"Wherefore, be of good cheer, and do not fear, for I the Lord am with you, and will stand by you; (the promise) and ye shall bear record of me, even Jesus Christ, that I am the Son of the living God, that I was, that I am, and that I am to come. (the commandment)"

Then he spoke on several things and he did not beat around the bush - he spoke frankly, but did so in a way that did not cause fear.

He spoke on these points:

1. The church is now larger in countries outside of North America
2. North America and Europe are no longer considered Christian regions or nations.
3. South of the equator and other 3rd world countries are more Christian, but very destitute.

He said the time has now come that we will see some very hard times.
He talked about how we, and the youthï¿½s parents, have basically grown up in luxury, but that he had not.
He lived during the depression.
He talked about things that occurred during the depression such as; soup kitchens, vagabonds and hobos that traveled the train system seeking work and food, etc.

He told the youth and their parents that they will need to be thrifty-

* Use it up.
* Wear it out.
* Make it do
* Or do without.

He talked to the youth about:

1. Obeying their parents - They REALLY DO KNOW - he was trying to be gentle but firm on this
2. Respect mothers
3. And learning to eat differently than they had before

He talked to the parents about Families; the Church is not, and will not be, responsible for raising the children.

The church programs will be different - he made this seem like this change, and other changes that will occur, will happen real soon.
He stressed that things will change, but that the Church is on the right course and he stressed this several times.
He said the Saints in the 3rd world countries will need our help - that it will be the our responsibility (the Churchï¿½s).

Notes from the Stake President/Bishops meeting that followed

1. Ramp up your food storage in a major way (the impression was that assistance would be needed for South American peoples).
2. Emphasis on 2 Nephi 32:9 (Pray always and not faint) - Consecrate our efforts by asking for a blessing
3. The status of the church with regards to food storage - 27% have short term supply - 13% have long term supply
4. Stake temple service will help us better weather the fallout of the storms that are ahead.

In March of 2003 he came to the Stake Conference in Midway, Utah, here in our valley. He quoted one verse of scripture 3 times on Saturday night and again on Sunday morning. This is when we had just gone into Iraq.
D&C 38:28-29
"I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

Then he would quote the end of verse 30: "If ye are prepared ye shall not fear."

He is trying to warn us without scaring us half to death. The First Presidency and the Quorum of the 12 know what is coming.
They are trying to tell us. Are we listening??? Are we doing anything about it???
They handed out those two pamphlets in General Conference last year.
THIS HAS TO BE IMPORTANT TO COME FROM GENERAL CONFERENCE TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE CHURCH!!!

Are we listening???
Are we doing anything about it???

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:49 am**

whether it is true or not I think it needs to be held up as an example

Oh the wisdom and scholarship of Mercury! The Lord has seen fit to allow Mercury to look up from his ewes and bless us with his knowledge.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:02 am**

bcspace wrote:
whether it is true or not I think it needs to be held up as an example

Oh the wisdom and scholarship of Mercury! The Lord has seen fit to allow Mercury to look up from his ewes and bless us with his knowledge.

Whether it is actually true that this came from Mr Little Factory is still remained to be seen is what I was referring to.

Let me clarify: This is scare tactics borrowing fear from the current economic hiccup being used to have the flock hold to the values that have been branded into their brains. Times are tough in the church and in the economy and if you don't have a steady source of income you are at a high risk of instability. Everythign will be fine though if you are religiously tied to your business and personal bank though...that's what he leaves out.

Boyd, the D-list CEO is lecturing the common man in this supposed speech. But like what has been said in other post, there has always been an undercurrent for the Mormon wet dream, a.k.a. the last days gathering of the saints meat bandied about in twenty second inserts into sermons, whispered about at scout camp devotionals and reinforced by food storage usage expectancies.

Mormons have a fetish for survivalism because it plays into the deep seated persecution complex that is engraved onto their brains while in their youth.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:34 pm**

Some of it might be based on a real BKP talk, but the important parts I don't think so. There is no way the church is planning to help south america. And what good would having food storage piled up do to help anyway? and 13% have long term food storage? i doubt it.

If this were real, then it would actually be a scare tactic. Confronting reality head on is always easier than being told something very bad *might* happen, or will happen, but you never know when...

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:22 pm**

I voted Traditional Mormon Rhetoric.

Actually, Traditional Mormon B***s*** would be more accurate.

How did you vote, Merc?

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:51 pm**

liz3564 wrote:I voted Traditional Mormon Rhetoric.

Actually, Traditional Mormon B***s*** would be more accurate.

How did you vote, Merc?

Fanaticism. Let me once again specify, the fanaticism I am referencing comes directly from the people who have been forwarding this around primarily. There is a growing sense that the need for survivalism is necessary in a larger segment of the church, a reaction to the decrease in the measureable "success" of Mormonism and outside forces, such as the economy.

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:07 pm**

I voted other.

What I'm seeing here (and I live within shouting distance of a Superfund clean up site where the end of the world as I know it could come quite suddenly, if someone made a mistake) is that people are of two minds. On one hand, I'm seeing rampant materialism, based on the number of LDS who are buying big fancy houses and driving around in Volvos and Lincolns. On the other hand, my oldest son and and his wife just bought 75 buckets to put food in so they can store it up. We're being told from the pulpit to use our federal incentive checks to buy food storage. It's been a while since we've heard that.

What I personally see is a backing away from the old 2-yr-supply idea and a move towards more of a 6 month supply of food and savings or 72 hour kits. I'm seeing less "end of the world" messaging and more "save for personal or natural disaster" messaging. I think it's more "get some food supply and savings so you can avoid the food bank line if you're laid off" type of thing. Or "get your 72 hour kit together so if you get hit with a tornado, you have something to eat and drink until help arrives."

Maybe my stake is different,but I don't think so. Our ward did an activity earlier this spring (I think I talked about it here) where everyone was supposed to not buy anything for 2 weeks. It was no hardship to me, mainly because I was on the road so much during that time that I think I was only home for 3-4 meals during the whole 2 weeks. But for some of my neighbors, it was an eye-opening thing, to realize how close to the edge they live. Bad things happen, and being prepared is simply good stewardship of what we've earned.

My son very suddenly lost his job a few years ago. It was a devastating thing for him and for his family. At the same time, it just so happened that one of the grocery stores in town had an irresistible canned food case sale and I had reverted to "Mommy" mode and had bought a trunk load of canned goods that when I got home and woke up, I was trying to figure out where I was going to put it all and how I was ever going to use it all. As it played out, he andhis family came home for a weekend (and I paid for his gas) and they loaded up their entire trunk with the stuff I'd just bought (along with half of what was in my freezer). His wife's dad bought the baby's formula for the next 3 months, and they made it through until he got work again.

I think that's what food storage is about: having it on hand for family emergencies, like my son's situation. I don't think it has anything to do with the end of the world, but I think it's a good idea for prudent people.

On the other hand, my Sweet Pickle heard through his grapevine (which includes a lot of long haul truckers) that they're expecting $8 gas by the end of the summer. YIKES!

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:24 pm**

I just paid $4.05 a gallon yesterday. That hurt. There is not a doubt in my mind that this will get worse. And the cost of shipping food, especially to the desert wastelands and other far away places, will raise the price on the grocery store shelves. Food storage and gardens and intelligent shoping are going to become a necessity. Hopefully lots of relief society women kept their moms instruction manuals on canning, sewing, cooking with raw ingredients, etc....

Time to let the cell phones and cable TV go here in the next year?

Nice post Harmony. I actually didn't hate you after reading something you wrote. Is this the start of a new age?

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:58 pm**

Gazelam wrote: Hopefully lots of relief society women kept their moms instruction manuals on canning, sewing, cooking with raw ingredients, etc....

You mean where you come from it is not normal to cook from 'raw ingredients'?

If what you start with isn't uncooked, why on earth do you feel entitled to call the process 'cooking'?

This opens a window onto vistas of culinary horror that I don't even want to start thinking about ...

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:15 pm**

Gazelam wrote: And the cost of shipping food, especially to the desert wastelands and other far away places, will raise the price on the grocery store shelves.

Desert wastelands = Las Vegas, Phoenix, and anything south of Payson in Utah?

Nice post Harmony. I actually didn't hate you after reading something you wrote. Is this the start of a new age?

Sounds to me more like the end of the world as we know it!

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