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FLDS issues Official Declaration 1

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:17 pm
by _SatanWasSetUp
Sorry if this has already been posted. It looks like the FLDS are starting to cave in to the worldly standards.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/02/tex ... index.html

Polygamist sect clarifies marriage policy

SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- A polygamist sect under fire over allegations of underage marriage will now allow women to wed only when they are old enough to give consent under state law, a spokesman said Monday.

A sect member and child are reunited at the Hendrick Home for Children in Abilene, Texas.

1 of 2 The legal age in Texas to marry without parental consent is 18.

"The church is clarifying its policy on marriage," said Willie Jessop, a spokesman for the Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

He told reporters the church would advise FLDS families "neither request nor consent" to the marriage of underage girls, though he stopped short of saying the church ever violated the law.

"In the FLDS church, all marriages are consensual. The church insists on appropriate consent," he said.

The change in policy comes after a Texas judge issued an order Monday allowing parents of hundreds of children seized from the sect to begin picking up their kids.

With one exception, Judge Barbara Walther told the Department of Family and Protective Services to allow parents to pick up the 440 children starting 10 a.m. Monday.

Thirteen children and six mothers had left the Austin Children's Shelter by 6 p.m., the shelter's executive director and CPS officials told CNN affiliate KXAN.

The exception involved a 16-year-old girl who the girl's attorney said was an "identified victim of sexual abuse."

The attorney said the child's release might cause her to come into contact with her alleged sexual abuser.

"The court has now signed an order applying to all children," the motion said. "But there are no restrictions or provisions which take into account the immediate risk of her alleged perpetrator having access."

The logistics of retrieving the remaining children may not be so simple, though, since some parents have children at different facilities across the state.

Under the judge's order, the Department of Family and Protective Services will still have the right to visit and interview the children.

These unannounced visits could entail medical, psychological and psychiatric examinations, and the parents must not intervene. Watch what the judge's order says »

Also under the order, the parents must attend and complete parenting classes. The families must remain in the state of Texas and notify the department within 48 hours of any trips more than 100 miles from their homes.


The Texas Supreme Court on Thursday let stand a lower court's ruling that the state had no right to remove the children in April from the Yearning for Zion ranch near Eldorado.

The ranch is run by the the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon offshoot that practices polygamy.

The FLDS is not affiliated with the mainstream Mormon church, which renounced polygamy more than a century ago.

The state of Texas maintained it removed the children because interviews at the ranch uncovered a "pervasive pattern" of sexual abuse through forced marriages between underage girls and older men. The state alleged that young boys on the ranch were groomed to be perpetrators because of those beliefs.

FLDS members deny any sexual abuse occurred and say they are being persecuted because of their religion.

In May, the 3rd District Court of Appeals ruled that officials erred in removing the children from the ranch, effectively overturning Walther's ruling that the children remain in state custody.

The state Supreme Court agreed with the appellate decision last week. See a timeline of the FLDS case »

DFPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said her department supports Walther's order, which "allows for our investigation to continue."

"Our goal is always to try to reunite families," Meisner said. "We hope they can be safe there."

The children are being housed at seven facilities across the state, near Amarillo, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Abilene, Fort Worth and Corpus Christi.

"The kids have been terrorized and put in the custody of the state for weeks and weeks," FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Friday after a hearing to determine how to return the children.

"Every effort has been made to bring relief," Jessop said. "It doesn't need to be a problem to go pick up the kids. It doesn't need to be any more difficult than picking them up after school."


Also on Monday Attorney General Wally Opal called for a special prosecutor to look into allegations of sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of girls in a polygamous sect in Bountiful, British Columbia.

It was not clear if Bountiful's community had any connections to the FLDS or any other polygamous group in the United States.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:50 pm
by _Mercury
patterning their LDS kissing cousins I guess this will be implemented fully 20 years from now.

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:57 pm
by _Nightingale
From the article:
"It was not clear if Bountiful's community had any connections to the FLDS or any other polygamous group in the United States."

It would be quick and simple to verify that, indeed, Bountiful BC is the home of FLDS members who are directly connected to the US groups.

The leaders in Bountiful were appointed and overseen by the US "prophet", old man Jeffs and after his death, by Warren Jeffs. Jeffs Jr turfed Winston Blackmore, former "Bishop of Bountiful" out of his position. Blackmore is still considered the leader by an estimated 1000 FLDS members. Those faithful to Jeffs have branched off into their own group. The history is the same, the beliefs are identical, the practices also identical. So much so that there are repeated allegations by concerned outsiders about child abuse, sexual and physical, underage "marriages" and cross-border traffic in young females who are travelling between the various FLDS locations to become "wives" to the older men, concerns that have launched multiple investigations by the RCMP and reviews by special prosecutors (the current one just appointed by the AG is the third, who now has very strong opinions by the AG that the previous two, who recommended that no charges proceed, were flawed in their reasoning).

In the past two years, there were charges laid against some of Winston Blackmore's young wives, who were American citizens, for having outstayed the time limits on their visas. The women were ordered deported, back to their FLDS communities in the US. In the end, on "compassionate grounds", they were allowed to stay, primarily because they have Canadian children, who could not be deported and the govt order would have effectively separated mother and child. Nobody wanted to get into that.

The cross-border aspect between the various groups is one reason there was at least one Canadian minor in state custody in Texas and why there are US minors in Canada, "visiting family" at various times. The children end up being automatic Canadian citizens due to being born here. The ones born to Blackmore have an American mother and a Canadian father, who reportedly has over 30 wives and over 100 children.

Blackmore has publicly admitted, finally, that he has more than one wife (against Cdn law) and is hedgy about how many children he has. He has even publicly admitted that several of his young wives were only 15 when he was in his 40s and 50s.

I believe he should be somewhat concerned about the recent appointment of another special prosecutor who will be reviewing all RCMP files and public complaints to date. While Canada is particularly reluctant to prosecute for polygamy, although it is against federal law to live in a polygamous union, there is no justification to fail to investigate allegations of abuse and underage sexual unions, especially to much older men.

Here's hoping that all the publicity will mark a new day in FLDS history, one in which they think twice about how they practice their religion and which laws they choose to obey. I hope it opens things up a bit so the children can glimpse the outside world and come to know that they have choices. If so, Texas will have done a good thing.

Re: FLDS issues Official Declaration 1

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:15 pm
by _krose
SatanWasSetUp wrote:
[...] The legal age in Texas to marry without parental consent is 18. [...]


An interesting twist is that, since FLDS marriages certainly are performed with parental consent, unions with 16- and 17-year-olds would have been acceptable if they had been legal marriages (actually, 14 was the legal age until they passed a new law in 2005 with the FLDS in mind). The fact that additional wives are technically 'single mothers' in the eyes of the state, which works to their advantage when collecting welfare, puts them in jeopardy of statutory rape charges for those under 18.

It seems to me that they could avoid the legal problems with serial legal marriages; in other words, divorce wife #1 legally (while maintaining a sealing and a relationship), then marry the 16-year-old girl. Then divorce her when she gets 'old and stale' (18) and repeat the process with a new, fresh young thang. I wonder if that system ever occurred to Warren or his daddy prophet.

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:46 pm
by _moksha
This FLDS declaration is as good as the sound bite it is written on.