New Bishop visits

[_harmony]

My new bishop visited my home last night for a couple of hours. He is such a dear man. I think he'll be a good bishop.

We had a discussion centering around Mosiah 27, the first 6-7 verses. He asked me what I thought would work to promote peace between us and our neighbors; I told him. He took it well.

Here's what I said:
1. we should not except our neighbors to come to us, and be resentful when they don't. We should join them in their activities. I gave the example of two of my friends (one of them 1/3 of the notorious Wazing) to join me on a committee that is planning a new event for my agency. They agreed simply because it was me asking them, not because they have a heart for the cause. However, they noticed an expansion of their world, because of their venturing forth into another world; they now know a couple of guys who work for the railroad, some women from the largest agricultural bank in the area, a couple of women from the local hospital, and some guys from a testing lab, all of whom are not LDS.

2. if we as a church were really doing what we're supposed to be doing, we would have no need for a missionary force. People would be beating down the church house door in order to join with us. So since that isn't happening, we need to take an honest look at why that isn't happening. Our holier than thou attitude is a huge detriment to the mission.

3. (this comment came from my daughter): that leaders and teachers need to work for their own bread. (this comment came from my husband) That we shouldn't assume other church's pastors are paid from offerings. That we aren't the only ones whose ministry is not paid. He used the example of a local preacher who works in the hospital to pay his bills.

All in all, a very good discussion, although on occasion my daughter and I would roll our eyes at Sweet Pickles' pontifications.

[_bcspace]

Sounds good though I believe this holier than thou attitude spoken of by you and many anti and ex mo's is mostly in your head.

[_harmony]

Sounds good though I believe this holier than thou attitude spoken of by you and many anti and ex mo's is mostly in your head.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to my own observations. Example:

As he left last night, the bishop commented on the wonderful spirit of our home, that obviously we had the Holy Ghost in our home. I asked him if he'd ever been to my mother's home. He answerd in the negative. I invited him to visit her at some point in the future, and then to comment on the spirit that resides in her home... she's a non-member.

A learning opportunity for him.

If that attitude didn't exist, we wouldn't see it commented on from the pulpit in GC, Bcspace.

[_bcspace]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to my own observations.

Indeed.

As he left last night, the bishop commented on the wonderful spirit of our home, that obviously we had the Holy Ghost in our home.

I don't think that necessarily follows.

I asked him if he'd ever been to my mother's home. He answerd in the negative. I invited him to visit her at some point in the future, and then to comment on the spirit that resides in her home... she's a non-member.

A learning opportunity for him.

Yes, you do seem to have this hubric propensity for thinking you can educate someone.

If that attitude didn't exist, we wouldn't see it commented on from the pulpit in GC, Bcspace.

Frankly, I think the bretheren are too believing of complaints (a reasonable caution) and just want to make sure. It doesn't mean we have to bend over backwards to please you, tolerate sin, or take abuse in general.

[_John Larsen]

Sounds good though I believe this holier than thou attitude spoken of by you and many anti and ex mo's is mostly in your head.

Yes, most Mormons are humble, polite and gracious like BC.

[_Thama]

If we ever needed evidence that it wasn't only a figment of the imagination, then we'd just have to summon up a list of these sorts of posts...

[_harmony]

As he left last night, the bishop commented on the wonderful spirit of our home, that obviously we had the Holy Ghost in our home.

I don't think that necessarily follows.

Then you'd have to take it up with him. I simply reported what he said. Since he actually knows me, and he was actually here in my home, I suspect he's a bit closer to reality than you are.

A learning opportunity for him.

Yes, you do seem to have this hubric propensity for thinking you can educate someone.

I educate people all the time; it's part of my job, bc. Hubris has nothing to do with it.

If that attitude didn't exist, we wouldn't see it commented on from the pulpit in GC, Bcspace.

Frankly, I think the bretheren are too believing of complaints (a reasonable caution) and just want to make sure. It doesn't mean we have to bend over backwards to please you, tolerate sin, or take abuse in general.

Oh, so now you're criticizing the Brethren's choice of topic for general conference? Better watch yourself on that slippery slope, bc! You can count yourself as one of the reason we still have to have a missionary force.

[_Infymus]

I'm glad to see that BCSpace is maintaining the same smug, self righteous Mormon prickishness. Like I said before BC, you should pull that quad out of your ass because it really is starting to show.

I've been in my new home for six months and I'm quite happy to not have had a single visit from the local Cult, except stray missionaries.

[_Yoda]

Frankly, I think the bretheren are too believing of complaints (a reasonable caution) and just want to make sure.

That's a pretty presumptuous statement. Are you privy to the brethren's revelation, or their reasonings for deciding on what to speak on? Frankly, Harmony's logic that the brethren speak to us on things we need to work on, makes a lot more sense.

It doesn't mean we have to bend over backwards to please you, tolerate sin, or take abuse in general.

And who are you referring to as "we" and "you"?

It seems like you are setting yourself against Harmony, and, since I agree with her, me. Harmony and I are both members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, BC, just like you are. Get off your high horse.

Also, how is a talk on how we shouldn't be pious and get along with others equate "bending over backwards," "tolerating sin", or, according to you, giving abuse?

[_The Dude]

Hi Thama! Nice to see you here.

If we ever needed evidence that it wasn't only a figment of the imagination, then we'd just have to summon up a list of these sorts of posts...

Assuming you mean BCSpace exhibits holier-than-thou attitudes, I agree.