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Juliann MA&D her board is used as a polygamy platform
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:01 pm
by _Boaz & Lidia
Perhaps she is afraid that her current husband secretly likes the idea?
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=36043
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:12 pm
by _harmony
Juliann is a widow. I don't recall anyone saying she had married again after her husband's death.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:12 pm
by _moksha
Good for Juliann in coming down on polygamy. My own thought is that it has brought nothing but bad
news to the Church. Look at the persecutions, not to mention the weird theological directions it has
taken the Church. Why would she want to further promote it on her own message board?
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:13 pm
by _truth dancer
Actually, If I recall correctly she was divorced from her first husband and her non-member second husband is deceased.
When I was still trying to believe, I held very similar views as Juliann; I tried to convince myself that polygamy was not actually doctrine. Personally, I was just trying really hard to remain believing rather than look objectively at what the church teaches, what leaders have stated, and what is as close to official doctrine as one can get in this very confusing church.
I no longer believe one can seriously argue that the church doesn't believe in, embrace, celebrate, and hold as doctrine, polygamy. And yes, MAD is a platform form LDS polygamy.
As much as the church is trying to distance itself from polygamy, I am surprised a church representative hasn't come out and asked for apologists to stop celebrating it. Seems to me church leaders are doing everything they can to move away from this practice while apologists are trying to make sure everyone knows it is official LDS doctrine and they will all be living it someday. Weird.
~dancer~
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:19 pm
by _harmony
truth dancer wrote:I no longer believe one can seriously argue that the church doesn't believe in, embrace, celebrate, and hold as doctrine, polygamy.
Just because the church believes it was doctrine doesn't mean it was.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:20 pm
by _Boaz & Lidia
truth dancer wrote:Actually, If I recall correctly she was divorced from her first husband and her non-member second husband is deceased.
Temple divorced from the first or will she be one of his wives in the CK?
She married and non member?????
Can living members be sealed to their dead spouses who were non members? Can they necro dunk them themselves?
Then again, if juliann was sealed to the first hubby and not temple divorced, she cannot and is doomed to either being one of the wives her first husband, or being "given" to another man if her first hubby is a bad Mormon.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:23 pm
by _Boaz & Lidia
harmony wrote:truth dancer wrote:I no longer believe one can seriously argue that the church doesn't believe in, embrace, celebrate, and hold as doctrine, polygamy.
Just because the church believes it was doctrine doesn't mean it was.
According to you?
It was, and is a doctrine of both the LDS and FLDS religions. Your unwillingness to stand up against LDS Inc does not change it.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:40 pm
by _Chap
Boaz & Lidia wrote:harmony wrote:truth dancer wrote:I no longer believe one can seriously argue that the church doesn't believe in, embrace, celebrate, and hold as doctrine, polygamy.
Just because the church believes it was doctrine doesn't mean it was.
According to you?
It was, and is a doctrine of both the LDS and FLDS religions. Your unwillingness to stand up against LDS Inc does not change it.
I think your irony detector needs a hard reset.
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:21 pm
by _truth dancer
Can living members be sealed to their dead spouses who were non members? Can they necro dunk them themselves?
Based on my understanding of the information in the CHI, living men can absolutely be simultaneously sealed to all the women to whom they have been married. They can be sealed to multiple women who are alive so long as they are only civily married to one. If a man married a non-member who died, after her death, he could have her work done and be sealed to her.
Women, on the other hand, according to the CHI must be DEAD before they can be sealed to more than one husband and will only be with one husband in heaven (I guess they or their husbands will choose). (Men OTOH, get all their wives).
However, having said this, If I recall correctly Juliann has mentioned that there are exceptions (or at least one) to this policy/practice/doctrine and that she is aware of a situation where a woman was indeed sealed to two men while the woman was alive, one spouse having passed over. I have never heard of this, in fact have heard this is not possible in the LDS church with Juliann's exception.
Then again, if juliann was sealed to the first hubby and not temple divorced, she cannot and is doomed to either being one of the wives her first husband, or being "given" to another man if her first hubby is a bad Mormon.
I won't speculate. ;-)
~dancer~
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:34 pm
by _harmony
Boaz & Lidia wrote:harmony wrote:truth dancer wrote:I no longer believe one can seriously argue that the church doesn't believe in, embrace, celebrate, and hold as doctrine, polygamy.
Just because the church believes it was doctrine doesn't mean it was.
According to you?
It was, and is a doctrine of both the LDS and FLDS religions. Your unwillingness to stand up against LDS Inc does not change it.
I repeat, for you and anyone else: just because the church believed it was doctrine doesn't mean it was.
Surely you've heard of the doctrines of men, Boaz?