Swindled by FAIR!!

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_dartagnan
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Swindled by FAIR!!

Post by _dartagnan »

I am furious.

About three weeks ago I purchased the DVD presentation of Brian Hauglid's KEP presentation during the 2006 conference. After more than a week I emailed to find out what was taking so long and someone emailed me back and said the person in charge of copying a DVD hasn't got around to it yet.

I was anxious to see all the hoopla about Brian's presentation of the "beautiful hi-res digital manuscripts" that allegedly surpassed those on the web and proved that Metcalfe's photos do not give an accurate representation of the manuscripts.

So as I am sitting through twenty minutes of his boring speech, he finally gets to it. Keep in mind that the camera man is Will Schryver and Will directs the camera to the Power Point Presentation every time Brian directs our attention to bullet points.

Eventually Brian starts looking up at the screen and and directs everyone's attention to a manuscript and he "compares" it to the one that has been on the web. I was anxious to see THIS part of teh presentation. Did the video footage show any of it?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

What he freaking hell? The whole time he is talking and looking up at the pictures, the camera is on him and you can even hear the audience go "ahhhhh" as he is showing them the photos. So why the hell didn't any of this get put on the DVD version of the presentation?

In a couple other instances after this, I was pulling my hair out wanting to see what I paid to see. But instead I got a black screen with white print, poorly done, and clearly edited after the fact (by Will probably) to include a bullet point commentary of what was in reality, more photos of manuscript pages. You could tell he was referencing a photo by what he was saying (I.e "See you can tell by this pne that the lines cross over... " etc) But we see none. And Will has the audacity to claim Brent is hiding portions of the KEP?

If they were going to pull this crap they could have at least warned me before I forked out 12 bucks for nothing.
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_Who Knows
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Post by _Who Knows »

Hey - tell me something. Did hauglid ever say something along the lines of "the 2 ink theory is dead"? I swear he said that, but Will assures me he said nothing of the sort. In my notes, i have it that he said it when he was talking about "myth #2". And that he said something like 'for mss3, at least, the 2 ink theory is dead".

Can you confirm one way or the other?

edit - oh, and i have it in my notes that he said when he made his original claim, that he didn't have access to the actual kep, but now he's convinced his 2 ink theory is dead.
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Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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Re: Swindled by FAIR!!

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dartagnan wrote:What he freaking hell? The whole time he is talking and looking up at the pictures, the camera is on him and you can even hear the audience go "ahhhhh" as he is showing them the photos. So why the hell didn't any of this get put on the DVD version of the presentation?



Because it is not necessary to your salvation.

We know that Schryver is a consummate multimedia specialist as well as a person of immense intelligence, and indeed sheer brute virility. So it cannot be the case that he (if it was he) was simply incompetent and sloppy in his editing as well as his shooting. He must have used his priesthood power of discernment to see that the information on those slides should simply not be revealed to those not spiritually prepared.

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Re: Swindled by FAIR!!

Post by _Tarski »

dartagnan wrote:
Eventually Brian starts looking up at the screen and and directs everyone's attention to a manuscript and he "compares" it to the one that has been on the web. I was anxious to see THIS part of the presentation. Did the video footage show any of it?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Something stinks--bad.
But, I think these guys can't be avoiding the obvious so blatantly without being dishonest at some level.
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_TrashcanMan79
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Post by _TrashcanMan79 »

I'd see about a refund, were I you.
_CaliforniaKid
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Post by _CaliforniaKid »

I bought the DVD too, but haven't watched it yet because I suspect we've heard most the highlights on the forum. Now I'm even less motivated to actually watch it than I was a few minutes ago. lol.
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Post by _Scottie »

Disappointing.
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Post by _Blixa »

I'm sorry, I've been laughing about this all day.
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Re: Swindled by FAIR!!

Post by _silentkid »

Chap wrote:...and indeed sheer brute virility.


One of the funniest things I've read on here in a while. Thanks Chap.
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Post by _asbestosman »

Maybe only the pure in heart can see the pictures in full-color glory
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