Is this ethical behavior?

[_Home Teacher]

I voted yes because what if you really could see buried treasure with a rock in a hat? Then it would be completely ethical, and a pretty good service to offer people, as long as you charged a fair price for your service.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

I voted yes because what if you really could see buried treasure with a rock in a hat? Then it would be completely ethical, and a pretty good service to offer people, as long as you charged a fair price for your service.

Hey HT, I have some yard work that needs doing, not at my place but a neighbor's. You do always ask if there is anything I need done to just ask...

Can you shovel sh*t? Seems a neighbor of mine has a mountain of the stuff in his front yard. See it here.

Thanks and Elohim bless you.

[_beastie]

by the way, John started a thread about Joseph Smith' money digging on MAD. It appears the defenders of the faith either really believe he could see treasures in his peepstone, or believe that since it was culturally accepted to see treasures in peepstones at the time, no one should have a problem with it today.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 36787&st=0

[_skippy the dead]

by the way, John started a thread about Joseph Smith' money digging on MAD. It appears the defenders of the faith either really believe he could see treasures in his peepstone, or believe that since it was culturally accepted to see treasures in peepstones at the time, no one should have a problem with it today.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 36787&st=0

Gardner's reasoning on this is really hard to follow. On the one hand, he seems to say that it was enough the Joseph Smith and the people at the time believed in magic, and at other times he seems to say that magic is real and simply can't be evaluated with modern thinking. I don't quite understand what he's getting at - it's terribly convoluted and contradictory.

[_beastie]

Gardner's reasoning on this is really hard to follow. On the one hand, he seems to say that it was enough the Joseph Smith and the people at the time believed in magic, and at other times he seems to say that magic is real and simply can't be evaluated with modern thinking. I don't quite understand what he's getting at - it's terribly convoluted and contradictory.

I think that's deliberate in order to obfuscate.

[_Scottie]

I will agree that other people are going to be more understaning of the perpetrators' unethical actions when they understand his/her motives.

Isn't that the definition of "more justified"??

It is worth discussion.

It is my impression that when something is "justified", that is to say that the act is just. With regard to our scenario (committing an unethical act, such as theivery to feed your family), it is not just in my opinion to steal from someone to feed your family. It seems to me that justice demands that you earn the means to aquire the food honestly. It is understandable though how someone could make the moral judgement of the lesser of two evils being theivery (vis a vis letting your family starve).

To break it down even further, I would say that justice is measured in further shades of gray. Justice is taking the severity of the crime and weighing it against the circumstances in which is was committed.

Justice can be defined by the parties responsible for defining it, to include leniency for mitigating circumstances. In other words, check mate. I bow before you defeated hoping that your definition of justice will weigh the circumstances of my crime. For some reason, admitting defeat in an anonymous setting is much easier.

It's also easier to admit defeat when it's a true discussion, not a fight to "win".

[_Scottie]

by the way, John started a thread about Joseph Smith' money digging on MAD. It appears the defenders of the faith either really believe he could see treasures in his peepstone, or believe that since it was culturally accepted to see treasures in peepstones at the time, no one should have a problem with it today.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 36787&st=0

Honestly, Joseph Smith could have sacrificed babies and eaten them and the apologists would be saying, "Yeah, so what?? Why is that a big deal? That's just what they did back then."

[_moksha]

I voted yes because what if you really could see buried treasure with a rock in a hat? Then it would be completely ethical, and a pretty good service to offer people, as long as you charged a fair price for your service.

Very good point, and if along the way an ancient indian spirit or Spanish conquistador or even a rascally salamander should put up barriers between you and the treasure, then what the heck - it was the good intent that truly mattered and those things can happen after all.

[_The Dude]

No, it cannot be ethical to hire out your services to find treasure through magic. My reasoning is that if you need money so badly, and you really can find treasure through magical divination, then you could satisfy your own needs by finding said treasure for yourself. The only person who would attempt to make this kind of living is a scam artist. QED

[_skippy the dead]

No, it cannot be ethical to hire out your services to find treasure through magic. My reasoning is that if you need money so badly, and you really can find treasure through magical divination, then you could satisfy your own needs by finding said treasure for yourself. The only person who would attempt to make this kind of living is a scam artist. QED

This wins as post of the day.