Are children molested as 'a trial' to endure?

[_Mahonri]

Reading in another area as well as discussing the problem with the parents of a child molested by a 'leader' got me wondering about this one.

The primary and other leaders and teachers of the Stakes, wards and branches are called by 'inspiration of the spirit' to their callings. Not really voluntary as turning it down is akin to turning down the Lord per many in the heirarchy.

Can it be 'the spirit' knows of the inclination to molest kids and somehow "TheLard" (utah talk here) is testing the called leader/teacher by placing them specifically in that position?

Can it be that the kids are molested to teach them some 'eternal' lesson that will help them in life or the hereafter?

I think this is a load of crap and the molesters should be castrated and left naked on a pole in mosquito country. (but done in a solemn and respectful manner:)

For people who keep insisting that the callings come from God how can they keep calling molesters? Aren't kids worth anything?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Can it be that the kids are molested to teach them some 'eternal' lesson that will help them in life or the hereafter?

Perhaps if they are girls since they will be just another wife of a Mormon God in the Mormon hereafter, doing nothing but popping out spirit children to populate his worlds without number..

In all seriousness, I recently lost a sister to suicide, which in my opinion, was directly related to her long term mental battle with her self esteem and emotional state which was trashed in her teens by our adoptive sicko pedophile father, who was Mormon and whose leaders protected.

[_moksha]

Can it be 'the spirit' knows of the inclination to molest kids and somehow "TheLard" (utah talk here) is testing the called leader/teacher by placing them specifically in that position?

This is really vile. I hate it when posts like this confirm MAD's cesspool charge.

[_Loquacious Lurker]

Yes, I would very much like to know what I was supposed to have learned as a result of being molested by a fine priesthood-holding member of the church when I was eight years old.

Because the only thing it actually taught me was to be afraid. I was afraid of men I didn't know, after that, and I still am. I'm afraid...I always will be.

I was afraid that HF did not love me anymore, because the only thing I ever heard was how disappointed He was with people who did not fight for their virginity to the death. I grew up in Kimball's Miracle of Forgiveness Utah, you see. I kept up the self-recrimination for a long time because I, as a little girl, did not die trying to defend myself. Instead, I did exactly what I was told to do by that priesthood-holding molester.

When I hear Mormon justifications for molestation, I want to vomit. I'm not being theatrical here; I literally feel sick to my stomach.

Here's what I think: it makes more sense to me that the world is random, and there is no God at all, and that things just happen, than to believe a loving, father-figure God would stand by while I begged in my mind for Him, or for anyone, to save me, and He did nothing but watch, because of some "lesson." That second explanation makes sense only to those who are so deluded and desperate to believe that they will cling to anything, no matter how reprehensible and inhuman, just to go on believing.

By the way, after becoming an atheist, I have finally known real, beautiful, lasting peace about what happened to me. Believers, explain that in light of your theory that God was trying to "teach me something."

[_Jason Bourne]

Nothing is to be learned. It is a result of another person's evil actions.

Certainly you know this and really it seem ridiculous to go down this path. Clearly it is an opportunity to mock and ridicule.

[_harmony]

Try to not confuse God with Superman. God doesn't rescue people, even innocent people. That's Superman's job. But even Superman can't rescue everyone who needs it. At some point, people need to care enough to rescue others. That's where we fall down. We expect God and Superman to do what we all can do.

[_JonasS]

Friggin Chicken!!! This thread is aweful. Leaders are put in a role of caring for young children and they are expected to live the laws of the land and be ethical. The Spirit doesn't choose who is given which calling if the Bishop is a farse!!! Being a paedo isn't a test. There is nothing to test. Adults shouldn't even have such thoughts going through their minds. They should be moral within themselves regardless of religion to have the decency to know better. Testing has nothing to do with anything. These people would make such a choice regardless and it is disgusting. They should be exed and put in prison.

[_guy sajer]

Nothing is to be learned. It is a result of another person's evil actions.

Certainly you know this and really it seem ridiculous to go down this path. Clearly it is an opportunity to mock and ridicule.

What is to be learned is that revelation doesn't exist in the Mormon Church where it comes to callings, or to anything else.

[_harmony]

Nothing is to be learned. It is a result of another person's evil actions.

Certainly you know this and really it seem ridiculous to go down this path. Clearly it is an opportunity to mock and ridicule.

What is to be learned is that revelation doesn't exist in the Mormon Church where it comes to callings, or to anything else.

Well, duh. Only the most devout would think that was the case. Everyone else just has to look at who's in leadership positions.

[_rcrocket]

Yes, I would very much like to know what I was supposed to have learned as a result of being molested by a fine priesthood-holding member of the church when I was eight years old.

Because the only thing it actually taught me was to be afraid. I was afraid of men I didn't know, after that, and I still am. I'm afraid...I always will be.

I was afraid that HF did not love me anymore, because the only thing I ever heard was how disappointed He was with people who did not fight for their virginity to the death. I grew up in Kimball's Miracle of Forgiveness Utah, you see. I kept up the self-recrimination for a long time because I, as a little girl, did not die trying to defend myself. Instead, I did exactly what I was told to do by that priesthood-holding molester.

When I hear Mormon justifications for molestation, I want to vomit. I'm not being theatrical here; I literally feel sick to my stomach.

Here's what I think: it makes more sense to me that the world is random, and there is no God at all, and that things just happen, than to believe a loving, father-figure God would stand by while I begged in my mind for Him, or for anyone, to save me, and He did nothing but watch, because of some "lesson." That second explanation makes sense only to those who are so deluded and desperate to believe that they will cling to anything, no matter how reprehensible and inhuman, just to go on believing.

By the way, after becoming an atheist, I have finally known real, beautiful, lasting peace about what happened to me. Believers, explain that in light of your theory that God was trying to "teach me something."

This is a terrible story. I know that such things will affect you for the rest of your life. I hope that you have good counseling. I hope your tormentor paid for his deed.

Was this priesthood-holding molester somebody you encountered at church, or was he a family or friend who just happened to also be member?

Evil exists in the world for reasons God thinks important. This didn't happen to you to teach you a lesson although there are probably lessons learned the hard way. The innocent suffer.