Simon, the "real" Messiah?

Post by **_Mad Viking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:10 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 295804.ece

For some the stone confirms Christianity’s roots in Jewish tradition while others feel that the tablet discredits the Resurrection as a mere reproduction of an ancient fable.

Several participants of the conference accused him of using the tablet to rehash a theory that he had presented in his 2002 book, The Messiah Before Jesus.

Hopefully, I am not bringing up old news.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:15 pm

This is the Simon referred to in the debate:

http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/me ... nts02.html

It doesn't appear that contemporary historians considered him the Messiah, or even a messiah.

Post by **_Mad Viking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:39 pm

Ray A wrote:This is the Simon referred to in the debate:

http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/me ... nts02.html

It doesn't appear that contemporary historians considered him the Messiah, or even a messiah.

The title of my post was tongue in cheek. The point, according to Professor Knohl, is that the notion of leaders rising from the dead among Jews did not originate with Christ. Furthermore, given this Simon's activities I would not go so far as to say that some did not consider him a messiah per the rabbinic definition.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:39 pm

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Post by **_Mad Viking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:44 pm

The Nehor wrote:He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

I disagree. He is the Messiah.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:51 pm

Mad Viking wrote:The title of my post was tongue in cheek. The point, according to Professor Knohl, is that the notion of leaders rising from the dead among Jews did not originate with Christ. Furthermore, given this Simon's activities I would not go so far as to say that some did not consider him a messiah per the rabbinic definition.

I think it's quite likely old traditions and beliefs were incorporated into the Christian Story. Comparing Mark (the earliest gospel) with Matthew 1-3 there is clear evidence of embellishment and a desire for Jesus to "fit" the prophecies of the expected Messiah.

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:01 am

If he is the Messiah we better mend our ways, fast!

Post by **_Mad Viking** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:31 am

moksha wrote:

If he is the Messiah we better mend our ways, fast!

Don't get too worried. There is no such thing as a Messiah.

Post by **_JonasS** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:33 am

This all reminds me of something my mum once said. Hmmm... Oh well.