The Prophet Mormon condems LDS leaders

[_Jacob Welling]

I am reading in Mormon 8 about how the prophet Mormon saw our day of polutions and condemned leaders of the church for failing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ because of pride. If leaders fail the fundamentals they cannot ever, worlds withhout end, get an apostolic witness or come any where near being a true prophet.

Why no crash courses therefore in how to take the name of Christ properly? Why is BYU more set up to send MBA into the world than real saints? Why all the confusion and if'n and shruggin'? It would seem like everyone is fully overcome by the overflowing scourge of our day, even the lying wonders of Satan's inventions that everyone is hot to cash in on and fully inundate themselves under the slurrry of excessive oppulence. That is the real polution I think and the overflowing scourge that will bring down all mankind eventually in ruin. For Satan never supports those he misleads and will eventually laugh at our downfall.

Why does MD care only about arrogant topics and nothing about meekness and lowliness of heart and entering in at the striaght gate and waiting upon the Lord as the Jews waited for the promise of the Father and the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? (See Acts 2)

[_harmony]

I am reading in Mormon 8 about how the prophet Mormon saw our day of polutions and condemned leaders of the church for failing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ because of pride. If leaders fail the fundamentals they cannot ever, worlds withhout end, get an apostolic witness or come any where near being a true prophet.

Why no crash courses therefore in how to take the name of Christ properly? Why is BYU more set up to send MBA into the world than real saints? Why all the confusion and if'n and shruggin'? It would seem like everyone is fully overcome by the overflowing scourge of our day, even the lying wonders of Satan's inventions that everyone is hot to cash in on and fully inundate themselves under the slurrry of excessive oppulence. That is the real polution I think and the overflowing scourge that will bring down all mankind eventually in ruin. For Satan never supports those he misleads and will eventually laugh at our downfall.

Why does MD care only about arrogant topics and nothing about meekness and lowliness of heart and entering in at the striaght gate and waiting upon the Lord as the Jews waited for the promise of the Father and the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? (See Acts 2)

Uh.... do you know where you are?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Jacob... welcome the the board.

I'm thinking you may have wanted to post on Mormon Apologetics and Discussion rather than this board which is Mormondiscussions.

Here many of us are non-believers (there are believers here as well however), and while we may not believe the Book of Mormon is an inspired or true book, we probably agree that there is way too much arrogance, elitism, and ego stuff going on in the church.

Do you have a particular example you would like to discuss?

However, we are happy to have you here so join the discussions.

:-)

~dancer~

[_gramps]

Welcome.

I thought the first two paragraphs were right on point. I've wondered the same things myself.

Not while reading Mormon 8, however. ;)

[_Tarski]

I am reading in Mormon 8 about how the prophet Mormon saw our day of polutions and condemned leaders of the church for failing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ because of pride. If leaders fail the fundamentals they cannot ever, worlds withhout end, get an apostolic witness or come any where near being a true prophet.

Why no crash courses therefore in how to take the name of Christ properly? Why is BYU more set up to send MBA into the world than real saints? Why all the confusion and if'n and shruggin'? It would seem like everyone is fully overcome by the overflowing scourge of our day, even the lying wonders of Satan's inventions that everyone is hot to cash in on and fully inundate themselves under the slurrry of excessive oppulence. That is the real polution I think and the overflowing scourge that will bring down all mankind eventually in ruin. For Satan never supports those he misleads and will eventually laugh at our downfall.

Why does MD care only about arrogant topics and nothing about meekness and lowliness of heart and entering in at the striaght gate and waiting upon the Lord as the Jews waited for the promise of the Father and the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? (See Acts 2)

Perhaps the meek don't get themselves in charge of churches or much else.

I have been assured that the principles of the gospel are in perfect harmony with aggressive capitalism and personal gain. I am also told by the likes of BCSpace (an apologist here on this board) that we are not really our brothers keeper.

The true force to which everything else in the church ultimately succumbs, is right-wing ideology. It's that way for many American churches.
Someone should write a book called "From Jesus to Cheeny".

[_Scottie]

I am also told by the likes of BCSpace (an apologist here on this board) that we are not really our brothers keeper.

Nehor also told me that the apostles are only responsible for themselves.

[_The Nehor]

I am also told by the likes of BCSpace (an apologist here on this board) that we are not really our brothers keeper.

Nehor also told me that the apostles are only responsible for themselves.

I should clarify. They are responsible for doing their duty just like everyone else. If they fail, it's their problem. It doesn't give me any excuse at all to do wrong. If there's no revelation there I can seek out my own. If everyone who claims to listen to them runs off straight to hell it's not to their detriment (except the sorrow they will feel).

Mormon 8 is about Priestcraft, both inside and outside our Church. I'm not sure what BYU has to do with it at all. What exactly are arrogant topics? Apologetics is not a discussion of the Gospel, it is a shield for it. If I were to start a board about the things of the kingdom where such things as meekness and lowliness of heart were to be discussed I would limit it to active LDS and keep critics out. You're looking to find potatos growing in the radish field and getting annoyed when you don't find any.

[_Jacob Welling]

I am reading in Mormon 8 about how the prophet Mormon saw our day of polutions and condemned leaders of the church for failing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ because of pride. If leaders fail the fundamentals they cannot ever, worlds withhout end, get an apostolic witness or come any where near being a true prophet.

Why no crash courses therefore in how to take the name of Christ properly? Why is BYU more set up to send MBA into the world than real saints? Why all the confusion and if'n and shruggin'? It would seem like everyone is fully overcome by the overflowing scourge of our day, even the lying wonders of Satan's inventions that everyone is hot to cash in on and fully inundate themselves under the slurrry of excessive oppulence. That is the real polution I think and the overflowing scourge that will bring down all mankind eventually in ruin. For Satan never supports those he misleads and will eventually laugh at our downfall.

Why does MD care only about arrogant topics and nothing about meekness and lowliness of heart and entering in at the striaght gate and waiting upon the Lord as the Jews waited for the promise of the Father and the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? (See Acts 2)

Uh.... do you know where you are?

I should spread out a broad net over every fish in the sea. To me the purpose of the gospel of Jesus Christ is to end all human oppression.
It begins by transforming people from the oppressor to the magnifyer. Rather than see a need and fill it to coerce gain for yourself and your secret combination you see a need and fill it freely out of the abundance of grace given you and walk on your way and encounter another need and fill it graciously. That would end all oppression it such faith and power to not worry so much about yourself could be made to exist. That is the highest ideal possible and the single purpose of heaven. God rules absolutely over that sort of saints,

To reach the ideal we need a Redeemer and Savior and King. God first saw the need of all light and truth to advance to be like him. He saw to it. Has he ever asked to be paid for his service? Humans believe their own world is the ideal and only slightly tainted by evil here and there. We as not on the same page with God. Only he can put us on that page and we cannot take it unto ourselves because it cannot come from us.

The most entranced athiest has to admit that a society of gods blessing the lives of all around them to the utmost of their ability is as great as a society can become. Gods are those who behave as such. We can be called gods if we do the works of God. He can remove the foreskin from off our hearts that keeps us from the love of God or the love that God loves by. How cool is that?

[_gramps]

Jacob Welling wrote:

He can remove the foreskin from off our hearts that keeps us from the love of God or the love that God loves by. How cool is that?

That is pretty cool. Foreskin seems to be a pretty big deal with God, doesn't it?