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bcspace wrote:... there were homo sapiens here thousands of years before the Fall. Where does the Book of Mormon conflict with that?


I'll rephrase my POGP quote:

So what do you make of Moses 3:7:

7 And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.
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bcspace wrote:
So what do you make of Moses 3:7


I understand "man" to mean a physical homo sapiens body united with a spirit child of God. The implication here is that there can be homo sapiens previous to the garden, but whose spirits are not children of God.

I understand "earth" to mean the already "finished being created earth". 2 Nephi 2:22 implies a creative state prior to the already created state. The already created state has a no death property applied to it. There are no properties applied to the earth in the creative state, therefore death is possible here before the Garden.

So to combine.....

"the first flesh [that was finished being created] upon the [created] earth, the first man [a physical body with a spirit child of God within] also"
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*Walking around the Fair-grounds* ....and in this tent we the contortion artist known as bcspace..


Say rather that you found no chinks in my reconciliation, therefore you had to say something to divert attention away from that.
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Moses 3:8:
And I, the Lord God, planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there I put the man whom I had formed.(from verse 7)
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bcspace wrote:I understand "man" to mean a physical homo sapiens body united with a spirit child of God. The implication here is that there can be homo sapiens previous to the garden, but whose spirits are not children of God.



Did they have spirits at all? What were they? Automatons? Don't even animals have spirits? If not from God, where did pre-Adamite spirits come from?
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bcspace wrote:
*Walking around the Fair-grounds* ....and in this tent we the contortion artist known as bcspace..


Say rather that you found no chinks in my reconciliation, therefore you had to say something to divert attention away from that.

Ahhh no, you idiot(thanks for the pointer Guy).

You will contort doctrines, scriptures, quotes, teachings, and any vague or remote facts and evidence to ensure that your explicit need to believe is left unscathed.
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Ray A wrote:
bcspace wrote:I understand "man" to mean a physical homo sapiens body united with a spirit child of God. The implication here is that there can be homo sapiens previous to the garden, but whose spirits are not children of God.



Did they have spirits at all? What were they? Automatons? Don't even animals have spirits? If not from God, where did pre-Adamite spirits come from?
From the spirits on Jesus' side who slept through the pre mortal war of course!
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Moses 3:8:


And?

I understand "man" to mean a physical homo sapiens body united with a spirit child of God. The implication here is that there can be homo sapiens previous to the garden, but whose spirits are not children of God.

Did they have spirits at all?


See the bolded part.

What were they?


Don't know. But I suspect they were not as intelligent as we are. This goes a long way towards explaining the slow rise of civilizations. Homo sapiens for the last 500,000 to 1 million years ago and no complex civilization till Sumer (6000-4000 BC). Notice that I am not tied to a 4000 BC Fall date.

Automatons?


No.

Don't even animals have spirits?


Yep.

If not from God, where did pre-Adamite spirits come from?


I didn't say they did not come from God, I said they weren't His spirit children.

From the spirits on Jesus' side who slept through the pre mortal war of course!


Doesn't work since a man is defined as a homo sapiens with a spirit child of God within. You are now in violation of Moses 3:7
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Say rather that you found no chinks in my reconciliation, therefore you had to say something to divert attention away from that.

Ahhh no, you idiot(thanks for the pointer Guy).

You will contort doctrines, scriptures, quotes, teachings, and any vague or remote facts and evidence to ensure that your explicit need to believe is left unscathed.


Well, if you'd rather be known as an ad hominemist like Guy, have at it. But the fact remains that you have not been able to posit a flaw in my theory.
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collegeterrace wrote:From the spirits on Jesus' side who slept through the pre mortal war of course!


I speculate they came from 1/3 of the host cast out from Planet Zarkon. An ape body with an alien spirit has to be better than none.
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