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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:44 pm
Yep, a vocal fan of the Iowa Hawkeyes. More specifially the wrestling program, tops in the Nation.
A good friend pointed me towards this forum even as he left it because he found it too contentious. He likes to discuss things pro and con on a more intellectual level, without the arguing and pushing and rabbit punches. So, he left and now I am here checking it out.
We met in Utah where we were both attending BYU and, at that time, were solid believers it was The Lords University, buying into it full time to the tune of missions and all. He came back, taught and led 25-40 day mountaineering and desert survival trips and then went into the Army(volunteered- vietnam time) and ended up Special Forces and some kind of LURP thing.(Long Range Recon Patrols) As he came back he got more frustrated with BYU and stupidity and dropped from their grad school and moved far from Utah. Ended up coming back due to a wifes job offer and finally the both of them left again for good. He is a lot better off now.
I finished BYU and went to higher schooling much farther East, getting a degree and opening a business that has done OK through the years. Now retired. And no, other than visiting the kids who I did not talk out of BYU, I don't visit The Stepford State at all. Not even for skiing, I go to Idaho and Colorado for that.
Iowa is a nice place with good people and few Mormons compared to Utah. One of the best things about Iowa is the LDS members attitude towards 'Utah Mormons', kind of like most peoples attitudes towards cockroaches.
So, I will read some more and chime in from time to time. No great scholar on this stuff but do have a few nice diaries of early LDS family members who came across the plains and took part in the rush to leave the USA some from other early family members that helped a bit in the vengance against the Mormons in the early days. Hauns Mill Massacre and the infamous 'nits will make lice' is an ancestor here so we get to see it from both ends in family records and personal writings.
Hope to come on from time to time inbetween following Coach Brands and the Iowa Hawkeyes as they seek yet another NCAA wrestling Title. Too bad BYU chickened out and quit on the kids, but then they always were big on talk and short on performance from the command level. Was even there when Ernie the Attorney was spying on us students, Fred Davis was Wrestling Coach(Non LDS and an honest man and leader if ever there was one) and Tommy Hudspeth recruited the All Marine backfield for his football team while they helped make Virgil Carter a star at Quarterback. That was even before we know Paul Dunn was a liar and con man. I even have two relatives in Utah who hold stock in Bishop Coyles Dream Mine.
A good friend pointed me towards this forum even as he left it because he found it too contentious. He likes to discuss things pro and con on a more intellectual level, without the arguing and pushing and rabbit punches. So, he left and now I am here checking it out.
We met in Utah where we were both attending BYU and, at that time, were solid believers it was The Lords University, buying into it full time to the tune of missions and all. He came back, taught and led 25-40 day mountaineering and desert survival trips and then went into the Army(volunteered- vietnam time) and ended up Special Forces and some kind of LURP thing.(Long Range Recon Patrols) As he came back he got more frustrated with BYU and stupidity and dropped from their grad school and moved far from Utah. Ended up coming back due to a wifes job offer and finally the both of them left again for good. He is a lot better off now.
I finished BYU and went to higher schooling much farther East, getting a degree and opening a business that has done OK through the years. Now retired. And no, other than visiting the kids who I did not talk out of BYU, I don't visit The Stepford State at all. Not even for skiing, I go to Idaho and Colorado for that.
Iowa is a nice place with good people and few Mormons compared to Utah. One of the best things about Iowa is the LDS members attitude towards 'Utah Mormons', kind of like most peoples attitudes towards cockroaches.
So, I will read some more and chime in from time to time. No great scholar on this stuff but do have a few nice diaries of early LDS family members who came across the plains and took part in the rush to leave the USA some from other early family members that helped a bit in the vengance against the Mormons in the early days. Hauns Mill Massacre and the infamous 'nits will make lice' is an ancestor here so we get to see it from both ends in family records and personal writings.
Hope to come on from time to time inbetween following Coach Brands and the Iowa Hawkeyes as they seek yet another NCAA wrestling Title. Too bad BYU chickened out and quit on the kids, but then they always were big on talk and short on performance from the command level. Was even there when Ernie the Attorney was spying on us students, Fred Davis was Wrestling Coach(Non LDS and an honest man and leader if ever there was one) and Tommy Hudspeth recruited the All Marine backfield for his football team while they helped make Virgil Carter a star at Quarterback. That was even before we know Paul Dunn was a liar and con man. I even have two relatives in Utah who hold stock in Bishop Coyles Dream Mine.