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I was revisiting this very persuasive explanation of Mormon doctrine by John Larsen and I find it to be very difficult to refute. Any new thoughts on the matter?

-You are bound to believe the things required by the temple recommend questions (if you want to go to the temple).

-You cannot public disagree with any doctrine held by a current apostle.

-New “doctrines” do not have to be reconcilable to old “doctrines”.

-Old doctrines taught by apostles that have not be renounced or contradicted by later apostles may well have expired without further action.

-There is an “unwritten order of things” both doctrinal and procedural that you may be held to.

-The current brethren may be “speaking as men” but you can take no action on this fact. This only applies to dead apostles.

-The scriptures are not necessarily a doctrinal bind since non scriptural commentary on the scriptures by later brethren may change or obsolete the scripture.

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Further, you have no recourse against the 'unwritten order of things.' Ignorance of doctrine or policy or the 'unwritten order of things' is no excuse.

Actually I can simplify this even further.

There is one doctrine in the LDS church that matters, and here it is:

The LDS Church is True.

That's it. Everything else is an appendage to it. Pretty much everything else may be restated, or redefined, or reemphasized, at will, in support of this Prime Directive.

Also,

LDS doctrine does not equate to truth.

Doctrine is just what is currently taught in the LDS church.

LDS "doctrine" (which again just means current teachings) can be changed, altered, revised, ignored, or totally eliminated at the blink of an eye.

~td~

Great replies.

It is so obvious that if there is a God, a God that is omni this and omni that and there is only one truth not many truths and God is unchanging, constant, the truth, etc. etc., God would not nor could not operate this way and be God.

I concluded many years ago and still conclude this is a man-made organization, there is nothing absolutely nothing divine about it.

I think Seth might have bagged it with:

The LDS Church is True.

That seems to go over with those who ask nothing, and in return expect evvvvvverything.

Just think, where else can a person get an inheritance as promised by LDSism any place, simply by "Belief"? And of course being obedient to their "God" makers, who tell them what to believe... Takes time to pass through the 'vale'. Each at their own speed...

Roger

Pokatator wrote:Great replies.

It is so obvious that if there is a God, a God that is omni this and omni that and there is only one truth not many truths and God is unchanging, constant, the truth, etc. etc., God would not nor could not operate this way and be God.

I concluded many years ago and still conclude this is a man-made organization, there is nothing absolutely nothing divine about it.

Just because this is a man-made organization doesn't mean there is no God.

harmony wrote:

Pokatator wrote:Great replies.

It is so obvious that if there is a God, a God that is omni this and omni that and there is only one truth not many truths and God is unchanging, constant, the truth, etc. etc., God would not nor could not operate this way and be God.

I concluded many years ago and still conclude this is a man-made organization, there is nothing absolutely nothing divine about it.

Just because this is a man-made organization doesn't mean there is no God.

I agree.

I don't hang my belief on whether there is or is not a God upon this organization, true or false, of God or not of God. I did at one time, but no more.

I was not implying that because the Morg Inc. is man-made God doesn't exist.

harmony wrote:Further, you have no recourse against the 'unwritten order of things.' Ignorance of doctrine or policy or the 'unwritten order of things' is no excuse.

If this is true then surely you can see that only a corrupt individual would continue to support this organization by belonging to it.

The Nehor wrote:

harmony wrote:Further, you have no recourse against the 'unwritten order of things.' Ignorance of doctrine or policy or the 'unwritten order of things' is no excuse.

If this is true then surely you can see that only a corrupt individual would continue to support this organization by belonging to it.

Actions speak louder than words.

How much do you believe and support Mormonism?

I'd venture to say based how you two have lived your lives, harmony is a better Mormon than you are.