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Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:56 am
by _collegeterrace
To all of the so-called protectors of marriage, please give me a list of proven burdens to society that legalized gay marriage will introduce.
Also demonstrate how my heterosexual marriage to my wife will be damaged by gay people getting married.
My employer along with many others already recognize domestic partnerships, both hetero and gay. These couples already have all of the same benefits as my wife and I enjoy from my employer, so why not let them get married?
It will not damage the wonderful relationship I have had with my wife for nearly 20 years.
Also, how many marriage seeking gay people today? We are really talking about a very small percentage. The last demographic I read on gays is that on average, they earn more than heteros, so we are not talking about a bunch of homeless homos getting married and asking for a free place to stay.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:06 am
by _Yoda
I agree with you, Porter. I asked Bob this same question in the thread which he initiated, and he refused to answer. He simply said that I could Google the information.
It seems like someone who is passionate about supporting this issue would be freely willing to give his/her opinion on why they feel this proposition should be supported.
I still have yet to see what type of financial burden on society gay marriage will cause. Most gay couples have two incomes. Also, the gay couples who I am close friends with are highly educated and affluent.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:54 am
by _Ray A
The latest from
Meridian.
More on David and Tonia Parker's campaign
emailsThe court case involving David Parker throws a slightly different light on his arrest:
The Administrators informed the Parkers that they could appeal the response both
within the school department and, if necessary, to the Commissioner of Education.
However, Mr. Parker replied, "Other people have tried that and it did not work."
The Parkers stated that they would not leave the school until their demands were
met.
With the hours passing and the Parkers refusing to leave the school building, the
Lexington Police were notified. While Mrs. Parker chose to leave before police
arrival, Mr. Parker did not. Two plain-clothed detectives arrived at 5:20 p.m.,
followed by a Police Lieutenant at 6:00 p.m. All attempted to coax Mr. Parker to
leave voluntarily. However, Mr. Parker made it clear that he would not leave
unless his demands were met and that he knew he was engaging in "civil disobedience" and was willing to accept the consequences. Mr. Parker declared,
"If I'm not under arrest then I'm not leaving." Mr. Parker also used his cell phone .
to make a number of phone calls, and a small group of people began arriving with
cameras.
Finally, when it became necessary for the administrative staff to leave and secure
the building, the police arrested Mr. Parker at 6:24 p.m. The group with the video
camera was waiting behind the police station and photographed Mr. Parker's
arrival. Mr. Parker was processed at the police station, afforded all his rights, and
after using the telephone, chose not to be bailed. He was held overnight at the
Lexington Police Station and in the morning was transported to the Concord
District Court for arraignment
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT...MASSACHUSETTS
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:21 am
by _Yoda
I really don't understand why the school would not allow an opt out option.
I grew up in California, and when we had sex education classes, there was always an opt out option.
The sex ed classes were about heterosexual sex. Why would this be any different? It doesn't make sense.
Since I don't live in California anymore, I haven't read the proposition. Before I would take this situation happening at face value, I would have to read the proposition.
I'm skeptical.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:32 am
by _bcspace
To all of the so-called protectors of marriage, please give me a list of proven burdens to society that legalized gay marriage will introduce.
Legitimizing such in law is the same as encouraging behavior that introduces greatly increased risks for health, life, abuse (physical and drug), mental stability, divorce, etc.
There exists no compelling resason for the state to do this.
Also demonstrate how my heterosexual marriage to my wife will be damaged by gay people getting married.
It's future marriages that will be the most damaged in that children will be raised without a male or female role model in the home. Even divorced or separated heterosexual persons maintain at least a shadow of this model by not marrying the same sex.
My employer along with many others already recognize domestic partnerships, both hetero and gay. These couples already have all of the same benefits as my wife and I enjoy from my employer, so why not let them get married?
How to you know two roommates are not just declaring homosexuality to get benefits?
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:39 am
by _Ray A
liz3564 wrote:I really don't understand why the school would not allow an opt out option.
I believe the school was in violation of Massachusetts Law:
81. Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 7 1, 32A reads as follows:
ยง 32A. Parental Notification of Human Sexual Education Curriculum.
Every city, town, regional school district or vocational school district implementing or
maintaining curriculum which primarily involves human sexual education or human
sexuality issues shall adopt a policy ensuring parentallguardian notification. Such policy
shall afford parents or guardians the flexibility to exempt their children from any portion
of said curriculum through written notification to the school principal. No child so
exempted shall be penalized by reason of such exemption.
Said policy shall be in writing, formally adopted by the school committee as a school
district policy and distributed by September first, nineteen hundred and ninety-seven, and
each year thereafter to each principal in the district. A copy of each school district's
policy must be sent to the department of education after adoption.
To the extent practicable, program instruction materials for said curricula shall be made
reasonably accessible to parents, guardians, educators, school administrators, and others
for inspection and review.
The department of education shall promulgate regulations for adjudicatory proceedings to
resolve any and all disputes arising under this section.
From the case:
86. By having engaged in the conduct described above, the defendants conspired to deprive
the plaintiffs of their due process rights and their rights to equal protection of the law or
of the equal privileges and immunities under the law, and they acted in furtherance of the
conspiracy which resulted in the injury to the plaintiffs as described above, all in violation
of 42 U.S.C. 5 1983.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:29 am
by _moksha
Oh yeah? What about a hoard of alien Homos marrying our American Homos just to get their green card and a shot at American citizenship? I bet you liberals never thought of that one. Might there also be an exploitive market ensnaring male order gays from the Phillipines?
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:08 am
by _Inconceivable
Boaz:To all of the so-called protectors of marriage, please give me a list of proven burdens to society that legalized gay marriage will introduce.
BC:Legitimizing such in law is the same as encouraging behavior that introduces greatly increased risks for health, life, abuse (physical and drug), mental stability, divorce, etc.
BC,
How on earth do you come to these conclusions? I was under the impression that monogamy limited the spread of disease and promoted a longer and fullfilling life, was an expression of loyalty, fidelity and stability and promoted respect and civilization.
Divorce? We're talking about a bond here. How would validating relationships(homosexual or otherwise) be a catalyst for divorce?
I don't particularly agree with prop 8, but for none of your reasons.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:20 pm
by _TAK
SpaceBetweentheEarsLegitimizing such in law is the same as encouraging behavior that introduces greatly increased risks for health, life, abuse (physical and drug), mental stability, divorce, etc.
Actually its bigots like you that are to blame for these ills by trying to keep gays in alleys and dark corners and treating them as evil and abhorrent. When teenage gays take their lives because they can not face your repulsive cruelty.. its your bigotry that deserves the blame.
Re: Yes on prop 8 = hate
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:09 pm
by _truth dancer
Hi BC...
Legitimizing such in law is the same as encouraging behavior that introduces greatly increased risks for health, life, abuse (physical and drug), mental stability, divorce, etc.
What?
How does a marriage certificate for my lesbian neighbors down the street "greatly increase their risks for health, life, abuse (physical and drug), mental stability, divorce, etc"?
I'm totally not following you on this.
How does their relationship impact you or me or my neighborhood, or the community, or ANYONE other than their family in a very positive way.
It's future marriages that will be the most damaged in that children will be raised without a male or female role model in the home.
As I have mentioned before (several times), my neighbors adopted two children from a Siberian orphanage. Are you suggesting these children would be better off in an orphanage without attention, food, medical care, or loving parents than they are in this fabulous home with this amazing couple?
Are you kidding?
Let's be real, there are plenty of heterosexual couples with absent or unhealthy male role models.
And while I am a HUGE believer in the potentially positive influence of fathers, (In other words there are great fathers who make a huge difference in the lives of their children), it doesn't mean that a devoted, loving, female couple can't provide a great home for their children.
I seriously do not understand why this topic is even an issue.
:-(
~td~