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An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:01 pm
by _Mister Scratch
Perhaps they will have it up and running again soon, but I found this peculiar, particularly in light of some of the criticisms which have been leveled against FARMS's arcane financial structure:
http://farms.BYU.edu/subscribe/?check_sub#check_subPurchase a Maxwell Institute Subscription
Our online subscription service is not currently working, to subscribe, or resubscribe, please call us at:
(801) 422-9229 local
1-800-327-6715 toll free
(801) 422-0040 FAX
Is this merely a technical snafu, or have the Powers-that-Be determined that it is always better to try and talk to potential donors and subscribers?
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:19 am
by _Yoda
It looks like a technical snag to me.
Scratch wrote: I found this peculiar, particularly in light of some of the criticisms which have been leveled against FARMS's arcane financial structure:
Which criticisms are you referring to?
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:51 am
by _skippy the dead
liz3564 wrote:It looks like a technical snag to me.
Scratch wrote: I found this peculiar, particularly in light of some of the criticisms which have been leveled against FARMS's arcane financial structure:
Which criticisms are you referring to?
His own, of course.
Re: Re: Dude, I don't understand you....
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:03 am
by _solomarineris
Do you want to eliminate, silence FARMS, DCP or what?
Then what?
It is like God's eliminating "Satan" factor.
Would there be a real competition afterward? Seeing Satan eliminated, I guarantee you
God would be so lost.
Let them be... Don't be so hard on DCP, FARMS...
Just let them know they are on fool's errand, don't get too personal.
Live & let live.
Re: Re: Dude, I don't understand you....
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:31 am
by _Ray A
solomarineris wrote:Do you want to eliminate, silence FARMS, DCP or what?
That won't even be remotely possible, not in my opinion anyway.
On 10 September 1997, President Hinckley proposed that FARMS be invited into the university.
In extending the invitation, President Hinckley said: "FARMS represents the efforts of sincere and dedicated scholars. It has grown to provide strong support and defense of the Church on a professional basis. . . . I see a bright future for this effort now through the university.".....
"This change firmly sets the future direction of the institute, which is to promote profound scholarship supporting the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ—something Elder Maxwell cared about deeply."
IntroductionI kind of wonder how Hugh Nibley really felt about this? Maybe he expressed an opinion I'm not aware of, pro or con.
Never a stranger to unorthodox thought:
Nibley was an active Democrat, and often criticized Republican policies. He was strongly opposed to the United States' involvement in the Vietnam War during an era "when it was very unpopular in LDS culture to do so."[7] His work "Approaching Zion", an indictment of capitalism and endorsement of communalism, is widely considered a classic of Mormon literature.
Nibley was also bothered by what he saw as the unthinking, sometimes almost dogmatic application of some portions of BYU's honor code. Nibley had no objection to requirements of chastity or obeying the Word of Wisdom, but he thought the often intense scrutiny directed at grooming (hairstyles and clothing) was misguided. In 1973, he said, "The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism... the haircut becomes the test of virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules by appearances.”[8]
Nibley further criticized LDS culture for what he saw as its acceptance of folksy kitsch art over good art; favoring trade-journal jingles over doctrine in sermons; and tearing down pioneer structures in favor of trendy new buildings.[1]
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Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:04 am
by _Gadianton
I wonder if the revelation about the peculiar nature of the online donation as discussed in my recent exam played a part in the removal?
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:39 pm
by _harmony
Gadianton wrote:I wonder if the revelation about the peculiar nature of the online donation as discussed in my recent exam played a part in the removal?
What is peculiar about an online donation?
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:26 pm
by _rcrocket
I find your opening post "disturbing" and "troublesome."
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:12 pm
by _Mister Scratch
Gadianton wrote:I wonder if the revelation about the peculiar nature of the online donation as discussed in my recent exam played a part in the removal?
Yes, I would imagine that was the case. I find it curious that, with their massive, multi-million dollar operating budget, they didn't set aside funds to fix technical snafus like this. Then again, perhaps all their stock investments were rather risky, and they took a significant hit as of late.
Re: An End to Online FARMS Subscriptions?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:35 pm
by _Gadianton
Harmony/Scratch,
The issue with the webform is that it didn't restrict the size of the number you input. So you could make a donation of say, 45 x 10 to the eighty seventh power, donations of unprecedented size.
I'm not sure it was necessarily a technical snafu. For all we know, it could have been intentional, in order to allow "the sky's the limit" kinds of donations. (technically, one of the Three Nephites could have donated very large sums. I imagine being immortal, if they were to hold bank accounts for a very long time they'd make a killing off of interest)
It made me feel a little uncomfortable, I have to admit. Even though no one is forced to imput a large donation, it would be like, say, if somone asked me for a cash donation, I agreed, and then the person opened up a large garbage bag for me to put the money in.