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So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:42 pm
by _mocnarf
With Prog 8 passed, what do you think California Gays will do next?
The protesting outside the Mormon churches is not likely to help them much. So, what else might they do?
Here's my list of possibilities:
1) Try to get revenge. One way would be to hit the LDS Church in the pocketbook. They might be able to do this by sponsoring an innitiative that would provide property tax exemptions only to church properties that are open to the general public. Since almost all other churches have their buildings open to the public, this provision (while applying equally) would only effect Mormon Temple property. I could certainly see EV's joining with Gay's to throw a wrench into the Mormon temple property tax exemption.
2) They might try to get a California court to declare that the word 'Marriage' has only religious significance and therefore orders that all California statutes have the word marriage replaced with the term "Civil Contract".
What say you?
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:48 pm
by _asbestosman
mocnarf wrote:2) They might try to get a California court to declare that the word 'Marriage' has only religious significance and therefore orders that all California statutes have the word marriage replaced with the term "Civil Contract".
This is self-defeating. Since Prop. 8 is now a California statute, it would then change to state that Only a
Civil Contract between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Gays would still be left out in the cold.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:09 pm
by _mocnarf
Good point, asbestosman. However, there are also laws that set up so called civil contracts so this would create a conflict in that laws that possibly liberal judges could "resolve".
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:23 pm
by _Bond James Bond
My guess is start mobilizing and organizing now and not stop till they win in 2010.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:38 pm
by _asbestosman
I wounder if they could play a sort of poker game. If they make a bluff that they're going to spend lots of money to get voters to overturn 8, but don't spend a dime, could they get their opponents to spend all their money, and then strike hard next time after their opponents have already used up their money?
Actually, it kind of sounds like a Nephite military strategy to get Lamanites out of strongholds.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:10 am
by _Jason Bourne
mocnarf wrote:With Prog 8 passed, what do you think California Gays will do next?
The protesting outside the Mormon churches is not likely to help them much. So, what else might they do?
Here's my list of possibilities:
1) Try to get revenge. One way would be to hit the LDS Church in the pocketbook. They might be able to do this by sponsoring an innitiative that would provide property tax exemptions only to church properties that are open to the general public. Since almost all other churches have their buildings open to the public, this provision (while applying equally) would only effect Mormon Temple property. I could certainly see EV's joining with Gay's to throw a wrench into the Mormon temple property tax exemption.
2) They might try to get a California court to declare that the word 'Marriage' has only religious significance and therefore orders that all California statutes have the word marriage replaced with the term "Civil Contract".
What say you?
I say this was not protesting I say it is the bigotry they and many of you accuse the Mormons of. I say attempts to do item 1 reflect further bigotry and am certain this would fail
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:39 am
by _bcspace
So what do Ca gays do now?
Just get on with it and marry each other already.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:36 am
by _RAJ
With Prog 8 passed, what do you think California Gays will do next?
There are at least 3 court challenges at the moment and the CA legislature, including leaders of the state Senate (upper house) and Assembly (lower house) have signed onto a brief urging the state Supreme Court to overturn prop 8. (This could happen quite quickly).
See here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/polit ... 2523.storyThe ACLU and NCLR challenges are not at all frivolous, in fact, they're pretty persuasive. In anything other than this super-heated political context they each would stand an excellent chance of invalidating 8.
Personally, I'd prefer victory through consensus rather than victory by judicial fiat but we shall see.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:08 am
by _Brackite
Here is the approximate Mormon (LDS) Population, within the State of California:
749,490.
( Link: http://www.newsroom.LDS.org/ldsnewsroom ... california ) And here is the number of People, within the State of California, Who Voted Yes On Proposition 8:
5,897,336.
( Link: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/ma ... 000008.htm )There are
5,147,846 more People, within the State of California, Who Voted Yes On Proposition 8, than there are of the total approximate Mormons, within the State of Californa.
Re: So what do Ca gays do now?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:29 am
by _Ray A
LDS Newsroom:
California and Same-Sex Marriage
SALT LAKE CITY 30 June 2008 The following letter was sent from the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints to Church leaders in California to be read to all congregations on 29 June 2008:
Preserving Traditional Marriage and Strengthening Families
In March 2000 California voters overwhelmingly approved a state law providing that “Only marriage between a man and a
woman is valid or recognized in California.” The California Supreme Court recently reversed this vote of the people. On
November 4, 2 008, Californians will vote on a proposed amendment to the California state constitution that will now restore
the March 2000 definition of marriage approved by the voters.
The Church’s teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is
ordained of God, and the formation of families is central to the Creator’s plan for His children. Children are entitled to be
born within this bond of marriage.
A broad-based coalition of churches and other organizations placed the proposed amendment on the ballot. The Church
will participate with this coalition in seeking its passage. Local Church leaders will provide information about how you may
become involved in this important cause.
We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to
assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Our best efforts are required to
preserve the sacred institution of marriage.