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Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:44 pm
by _asbestosman
I've heard that people who oppose gay marriage are homophobic or bigoted. I also hear comparisons to the Old Jim Crow laws of separate but equal. But is the comparison really valid? Does the church insist that homosexuals use different drinking fountains? Does the church even insist that there be separate restooms, showers, and locker rooms for homosexuals? if anyone were a true homophobe, wouldn't they insist on this last one? For that matter why aren't we sexist for having separate male and female restrooms?
Do I think separate but equal will be satisfactory? No. It'll die sooner or later. However, I am not as certain about whether homosexuals will be able to marry each other. I think that we may end up like the UK with only civil unions for all and marriage being a religious term like baptism.
Re: Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:54 am
by _Brackite
asbestosman wrote:
For that matter why aren't we sexist for having separate male and female restrooms?
Why aren't we sexists here in the United States of America, for allowing males to walk down the street in public topless, but not for allowing females to walk down the street topless???
Re: Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:15 am
by _The Dude
asbestosman wrote:I think that we may end up like the UK with only civil unions for all and marriage being a religious term like baptism.
I am The Dude and I endorse this message.
Brackite wrote:Why aren't we sexists here in the United States of America, for allowing males to walk down the street in public topless, but not for allowing females to walk down the street topless???
You really want to legalize public toplessness for women in the US? I would endorse that too: all shapes and sizes.
Re: Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:19 am
by _The Dude
asbestosman wrote:I've heard that people who oppose gay marriage are homophobic or bigoted.
Was the church bigoted for obstructing blacks from having the priesthood or going to the temple even though they didn't segregate them in some other ways? I would say yes. It isn't just about drinking fountains and locker rooms.
Re: Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:00 am
by _asbestosman
The Dude wrote:You really want to legalize public toplessness for women in the US? I would endorse that too: all shapes and sizes.
All ages too? If so then Pedobear would endorse it, and I always disdain anything he endorses.
Re: Homophobia or bigotry--is that what it really is?
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:03 am
by _asbestosman
The Dude wrote:Was the church bigoted for obstructing blacks from having the priesthood or going to the temple even though they didn't segregate them in some other ways? I would say yes. It isn't just about drinking fountains and locker rooms.
Fair enough. Still, I think it demonstrates that current discrimination against gays isn't even in the same ballpark as what happened to blacks. It doesn't make it any more right, but I think it is good to try to keep things in perspective.