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I've created a new thread so Mudcat can answer the question I asked off-topic in another thread.

Mudcat, are you an EV who believes that the world was created in six 24-hour days?

Ray A wrote:I've created a new thread so Mudcat can answer the question I asked off-topic in another thread.

Mudcat, are you an EV who believes that the world was created in six 24-hour days?

I dunno. What difference does it make?

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Kangaroos are tasty

Mudcat wrote:I dunno. What difference does it make?

I'm curious. I have a Christian friend who believes this, but just can't get my mind around it, or how anyone can believe this.

Mudcat wrote:edit add -

Kangaroos are tasty

99% fat free too. I often buy a kangaroo meat roast.

Ray A wrote: I often buy a kangaroo meat roast.

ACK! You eat Kanga, Roo's momma?

Of course the earth was created in 6 24-hour days. The prophets say so, so it must be so.

Ray A wrote:I'm curious. I have a Christian friend who believes this, but just can't get my mind around it, or how anyone can believe this.

My beliefs aren't based on 6/24 creation, but a lot of Christians believe this. I don't rule it out. I just don't really know. I look to the same text as the majority of Christians do for spiritual guidance. I just don't see it as a physics, bio, chem book is all.

Given the alternatives of belief for creation, I don't see a 6 day creation as idiotic, nor am I dismissive of other postulations on it. As far as I know, no one really knows the details.

harmony wrote:
ACK! You eat Kanga, Roo's momma?

It's better than a T-bone steak.

harmony wrote:Of course the earth was created in 6 24-hour days. The prophets say so, so it must be so.

According to the EVs (maybe not Mudcat?) it isn't the prophet, it's "the Bible says so". I didn't know books could talk, did you?

Ray A wrote:According to the EVs (maybe not Mudcat?) it isn't the prophet, it's "the Bible says so". I didn't know books could talk, did you?

CS Lewis said something I liked once.
I don't remember his quote verbatim, but it was to the effect of....

'The Bible isn't the word of God, Christ is. The Bible along with good teachers can lead you to Christ'

I suppose I fall into that sort of school of thought.

Mudcat wrote:CS Lewis said something I liked once.
I don't remember his quote verbatim, but it was to the effect of....

'The Bible isn't the word of God, Christ is. The Bible along with good teachers can lead you to Christ'

I suppose I fall into that sort of school of thought.

So you're essentially a "heart Christian"? I presume you've read some of Albert Schweitzer? Tolstoy? See, this is what I see in Mormonism too. They all cling on to the "good aspects" of Mormonism, but ask them to justify Christian-Jews living in 600 BC, and they're stumped. So literalism is really bogus, as far as I'm concerned. What it really all boils down to is Jesus' two commandments: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself.

For me it's all about doing the right thing. But some people need a Christ to hang on too to do the right thing. I don't. And as far as I'm concerned I've met many atheists whom I consider more moral and less judgemental than Christians/Mormons. But I also take the Ben Franklin approach to some degree: If belief makes them better people, let them keep believing. But Paine disagreed with this, and so did Voltaire, and I'm more sympathetic to them, because when you build up a false belief in people, they're going to be so disappointed that they will end up totally disillusioned with the idea of God. And because this is what they built their morality upon, many of them will end up thinking there's no morality and no purpose to life without their former religious belief. But I do stress, not all are like this.

Ray A wrote:So you're essentially a "heart Christian"?

I am essentially saying that I have a testimony of Christ, not a testimony that the earth was made in 6 days.

I presume you've read some of Albert Schweitzer? Tolstoy? See, this is what I see in Mormonism too. They all cling on to the "good aspects" of Mormonism, but ask them to justify Christian-Jews living in 600 BC, and they're stumped. So literalism is really bogus, as far as I'm concerned. What it really all boils down to is Jesus' two commandments: Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself.

Emphasis mine Ray. In my mind, it boils down to did Christ get back up after his death. I believe he did, and I think a lot of those two commandments he was recorded as saying, but the commandments are secondary. If he is still in tomb in the mid-east they are pretty worthless, in my opinion.

For me it's all about doing the right thing.

I suppose that is a plus. There are a lot of folks that did some pretty horrid stuff with the justification of doing the "right thing", some of them even did some of these things in the name of Christ.

But some people need a Christ to hang on too to do the right thing. I don't. And as far as I'm concerned I've met many atheists whom I consider more moral and less judgemental than Christians/Mormons

Who determines what the right thing is, in regards to Ray A? I am not trying to call you on the carpet... it just sounds like you hold yourself to your own standard. I am curious what your standard is.

But I also take the Ben Franklin approach to some degree: If belief makes them better people, let them keep believing. But Paine disagreed with this, and so did Voltaire, and I'm more sympathetic to them, because when you build up a false belief in people, they're going to be so disappointed that they will end up totally disillusioned with the idea of God.

For a person that has no belief in God at all, it would be an easy argument to make that more evil has been done in the name of God than good. However, I would think that a person who has no belief in God, would see that religion is as much a tool as anything else when used inappropriately.

And because this is what they built their morality upon, many of them will end up thinking there's no morality and no purpose to life without their former religious belief. But I do stress, not all are like this.

I know a few athiests, as far as I can tell they are all good chaps and they are all smarter than me.

I have decided that athiesm is a disease which afflicts the intelligent. I suppose there are some 'not so intelligent' athiests out there. in my opinion, they just haven't found God yet.

Of course the earth was created in 6 24-hour days. The prophets say so, so it must be so.

Got anything doctrinal to support that?