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How can a people come from California, cross the Great Basin or Arizona, hike/ride over the Rockies, cross the Great Plains and end up in great battles killing Millions in New York to Illinois(where Zelph, great white lamanite warrior was killed per Joseph Smith) to New York... without ever having met up with Bison, Elk, Grizzly Bears, Beaver, BigHorn Sheep and so many other animals common in the areas they went through. Did no one in Book of Mormon history ever get trapped in a blizzard or freeze in a snowstorm? Didn't the armies of Millions get caught in New York snowstorms somehow? You know, the ones that dump 3 feet of snow overnight?

Didn't anyone get caught in a midwest blizzard? Or die while crossing Great Salt Lake desert? Maybe get caught in the Sierra Nevada like the Donner party?

If they covered every area of the land wouldn't they end up in the bay area where nine different kinds of berries grow naturally, food is abundant and life easy compared to the 'Indians' in the great basin and the rest of the country?

How can any historical real people not run into herds of Buffalo/Bison by the millions? Grizzly bears(you know, the ones that killed and ate Elk on the Great Plains all along the Missouri River and into Kansas, Oklahoma and the East Coast states?

Not one mention of these animals that were the staple food of so many Indian tribes. No snowstorms and death of anyone important enough to mention in the Book of Mormon.

Joseph Smith said plainly that the Nephites and Lamanites inhabited the North American continent. Brighham had them dedicating a Temple site in what is now modern day Manti, Utah.

How is it they mentioned none of the animals and none of the inclement or winter weather that defines the regions they lived in? One or two mentions of whirlwind and none of cyclones, tornadoes or hurricanes?

A primitive people who were advanced enough to smelt and work with steel and the metals the Book of Mormon talks about sure missed a lot in their travels.

Could it be that Cureloms and Cummoms are Elk and Mountain Goats? Maybe Grizzly Bears?

How about rattlesnakes? You know, those pesky prarie rattlers that vexed the Lewis and Clark expedition? That nailed so many of those traveling west in our modern pioneer days? How about the ducks, geese, ticks, chiggers and Bald Eagles? So many animals that define this continent and so little to no mention of them when many would be staple foods for the millions here.

Would Nephi or some of the old prophets have a buffalo robe? A Beaver hat? Their wives a mink or at least a muskrat stole? Why not big crawdad roasts, catfish suppers and buffalo skinning parties while getting ready for winter?

A lot is missing from the great civilization.

You just inadvertently gave support to the Limited Geography Theory.

where Zelph, great white lamanite warrior was killed per Joseph Smith)

CFR

I know in MormonSpeak that CTR is 'choose the Republican. Is CFR 'choose the F*****g Republican?

CFR is BCSpace-speak for "maybe if I ask him for a reference he'll be too lazy to provide one, and I'll win the debate by default even though I know he's right."

squawkeye wrote:A lot is missing from the great civilization.

If you're looking for details on weather, food and location, there is a lot missing regardless of where the Book of Mormon takes place.

CFR means one of three things:
1. I am ignorant.
2. I am an ass.
3. I am an ignorant ass.

Take your pick.

With details like Wheat, Horses, Steel, chariots and the like all 'translated' (or rather interpreted or made up... translating says you have something to translate) into terms we understand from the time Joseph Smith lived, couldn't he come up with what a Curelom and a Cummom were? Maybe Bison and Elk? But how about Moose? How about the herds of millions of bison and the attendant prarie dog towns that surely at least one leaders horse broke a leg crossing?

And snow and cold weather? Where Joseph said they lived does get colder than a mother in laws heart. People freeze to death even today. Surely it happened during the time the book covers.

Way too much is missing.

If there was more history I'd agree but outside of a few wars that are told about in detail (Captain Moroni) and discussion of some politics there's almost nothing. The Book of Mormon also never mentions birds, pottery, or trees (outside an allegory to a tree they may not have had). Migrations north are mostly described in one sentence that some people went north. Some may have died in a blizzard and eaten bison but it's not inconsistent with the rest of the book that this would be left out.

The Nehor wrote:If there was more history I'd agree but outside of a few wars that are told about in detail (Captain Moroni) and discussion of some politics there's almost nothing. The Book of Mormon also never mentions birds, pottery, or trees (outside an allegory to a tree they may not have had). Migrations north are mostly described in one sentence that some people went north. Some may have died in a blizzard and eaten bison but it's not inconsistent with the rest of the book that this would be left out.

Funny how it doesn't mention domesticated dogs:

The ancient Maya, a group of people who lived throughout southern Mexico and Central America, used domesticated dogs on a daily basis as a food source, hunting aide, and an element in religious and spiritual rituals.

Despite the fact that the amount of dog use varied throughout time and place, people of the coastal regions of the Maya area placed more importance on dogs due to their constant availability as a source of protein and their ability to rapidly reproduce. Breeding and raising domesticated dogs required low energy use. Fish and other hunted animals were not as reliable as dogs as a food resource, and it required more energy and time to capture these animals for consumption. Overall, it is difficult to generalize how the Maya used dogs because of the comparison of dog deposits to other fauna and how the amount of dog deposits differs among sites from various periods. Because of this variation, it is not certain if the function of dogs altered from a food source to that of a religious symbol over time. Besides becoming a meal, dogs were also used as hunting and traveling companions and were scavengers in the home.

Wiki

Now let me guess....there's another name for "dog" in the Book of Mormon, right?