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This video popped up on my youtube frontpage. I thought it interesting. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCum9yQ ... 470/683973

Prop8 opponents got caught flatfooted, that is all there's to it!
It's a vote and YES got more than NO.

Prop8 opponents got caught flatfooted, that is all there's to it!

No they didn't.

They raised more money. They had plenty of fundraising activities. They had a much higher profile. They had plenty of actors and politicians who went on record and on TV to support their position. Not a single actor or politician went on the record for Pro-Prop 8. They distributed thousands of signs at the grassroots level. They had street rallies against Prop 8 when no other Proposition in the state had any rallies.

When they lost, they claimed they were caught flatfooted. I'd like to know how it is they were caught flat footed.

So much of the analysis is subjective, but I thought their television ads, which were many more in frequency than the pro-Prop 8 side, were deceptively vague. The ads did not mention gays or homosexuals, and featured only heterosexuals. If they were trying to confuse the issue, they did a good job but it hurt them.

I agree with Bob.

I feel dirty now...

Scottie wrote:I agree with Bob.

I feel dirty now...

ROTFLMAO!!!

rcrocket wrote:No they didn't.

They raised more money. They had plenty of fundraising activities. They had a much higher profile. They had plenty of actors and politicians who went on record and on TV to support their position. Not a single actor or politician went on the record for Pro-Prop 8. They distributed thousands of signs at the grassroots level. They had street rallies against Prop 8 when no other Proposition in the state had any rallies.

When they lost, they claimed they were caught flatfooted. I'd like to know how it is they were caught flat footed.

Good points all.

rcrocket wrote:

Prop8 opponents got caught flatfooted, that is all there's to it!

No they didn't.

They raised more money. They had plenty of fundraising activities. They had a much higher profile. They had plenty of actors and politicians who went on record and on TV to support their position. Not a single actor or politician went on the record for Pro-Prop 8. They distributed thousands of signs at the grassroots level. They had street rallies against Prop 8 when no other Proposition in the state had any rallies.
When they lost, they claimed they were caught flatfooted. I'd like to know how it is they were caught flat footed.
So much of the analysis is subjective, but I thought their television ads, which were many more in frequency than the pro-Prop 8 side, were deceptively vague. The ads did not mention gays or homosexuals, and featured only heterosexuals. If they were trying to confuse the issue, they did a good job but it hurt them.

I don't buy your story but that's beside the point.
LDS Church won against humongous odds, they defeated gays & lesbians and liberals.
They repeated the sweet victory of ERA.
Postscript: In the process LDSPR screwed themselves in a big way. The damage the Brass caused to reach their goal will bring demise to their proselytizing efforts.

My dialup connection doesn't allow for playing videos, times out and quits. What does it say and how is it relevant here? A short synopsis is fine. Can't comment until I have an idea of what is actually going on.
Not all of us have fast internet connections.

I don't buy your story but that's beside the point.
LDS Church won against humongous odds, they defeated gays & lesbians and liberals.
They repeated the sweet victory of ERA.
Postscript: In the process LDSPR screwed themselves in a big way. The damage the Brass caused to reach their goal will bring demise to their proselytizing efforts.

Mine is not a "story." I live in California. They were not disorganized. Anti-Prop 8 folks were highly organized and they and their supporters outspent Prop 8 by a huge margin. Weekend after weekend there were huge parties, rallies and fundraisers going on in West Los Angeles. I was there on the ground. I saw it. My clients, friends and partners were involved.

The local lawyer's newspaper ran a story on lawyers who supported and opposed Prop 8. They were hard-pressed to find a lawyer who supported Prop 8 who made the same sized contribution as the many lawyers who opposed Prop 8. They finally settled on one of my pro-Prop 8 partners for the story, and then the anti-Prop 8 coalition lobbied with my firm, successfully so, to squelch my partner's interview.

I spoke at the UCLA law school in support of Prop 8. I was the only lawyer among the dozen or so on the topic willing to support Prop 8. It was easy for the coalition to bring in an impressive array of anti-Prop 8 speakers. The anti-Prop 8 coalition, once again, lobbied with my firm to stop me from speaking, but I didn't back down and my firm's management committee let me go ahead.

The word of my visit spread quickly throughout West Los Angeles, and the lecture hall was stuffed with anti-Prop 8 students and activists.

Anti-Prop 8 fundraising came in large part from tax-exempt entities. In other words, people contributed to the entities, took a write off, and the entities then made the contribution to the anti-Prop 8 campaign. The list is very long of those organizations.

By contrast, there was almost none of that in the Pro-Prop 8 side. Contributions in large part came from after-tax dollars.

So, at least from my perspective, I would say that the anti-Prop 8 side was better organized at all levels except perhaps the lowest of the low grassroots level. And, there, humble Church members as well as many others from other faiths were willing to walk the neighborhoods for support.

You just aren't buying reality. I'm surprised, really, and I thought nothing would surprise me here.

"Churches do not have any special right to operate in the dark."


Come on.. That's just crazy talk!