What did the Asians, Indians and others do?

[_JoetheClerk]

Former LDS Apostle Mark E. Peterson once spoke about the Chinese/Asians and others with less than 'white and delightsome' skin coloring and what they might have done to merit such a curse. Not as bad as 'The Negro' and certainly not as bad as the Lamanites(except possibly Indians and Pakistanis or similar) but definately something in the pre-existance to cause God to send them to Earth in a cursed body rather than a White and Delightsome one.

Will these poor bligted folk turn white and delightsome after they accept the gospel? Will it take moving to Utah to get the full effect? Attending BYU? (is that why the BYU swimming pools are so heavily chlorinated?)

[_cinepro]

Former LDS Apostle Mark E. Peterson once spoke about the Chinese/Asians and others with less than 'white and delightsome' skin coloring and what they might have done to merit such a curse. Not as bad as 'The Negro' and certainly not as bad as the Lamanites(except possibly Indians and Pakistanis or similar) but definately something in the pre-existance to cause God to send them to Earth in a cursed body rather than a White and Delightsome one.

Will these poor bligted folk turn white and delightsome after they accept the gospel? Will it take moving to Utah to get the full effect? Attending BYU? (is that why the BYU swimming pools are so heavily chlorinated?)

I think it is safe to say that some Church leaders have had misconceptions about the origin and meaning of "race", and some of the things they said weren't fully thought out for their doctrinal or anthropological ramifications.

[_JoetheClerk]

Sadly, these General Authorities preach these doctrines in their talks at BYU where the believers are many in number and fired up to know 'The Truth' directly from Gods top dogs.

[_bcspace]

Former LDS Apostle Mark E. Peterson once spoke

Amazing how easily you guys draw conclusions and engage in so much head shaking without providing the actual reference and/or quote of what you are talking about.

[_JoetheClerk]

Here you go BC SpacedOut, because you are too damned lazy to look it up.
Maybe you can get Dallin Oaks to blame in on white salamanders clouding his vision and he could actually be talking about something else?

"Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. A Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seen's to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, aud that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

"Think of the Negro, cursed as to the Priesthood.... This negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa--if that negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory....

"Now let's talk segregation again for a few moments.... When the Lord chose the nations to which the spirits were to come, determining that some would be Japanese and some would be Chinese and some Negroes and some Americans, He engaged in an act of segregation....

"Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them.... At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the Negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a curse... He forbade intermarriage... He certainly segregated the descendants of Cain when He cursed the Negro as to the Priesthood, and drew an absolute line. You may even say He dropped an iron curtain there....

"We must not intermarry with the Negro, Why? If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the Priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse. There isn't any argument, therefore, as to inter-marriage with the Negro, is there? There are 50 million Negroes in the United States. If they were to achieve complete absorption with the white race, think what that would do. With 50 million Negroes intermarried with us, where would the Priesthood be? Who could hold it, in all America? Think what that would do to the work of the Church!

"Now we are generous with the negro [sic].... I would be willing to let every Negro drive a cadillac if they could afford it. I would be willing that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. But let them enjoy these things among themselves. I think the Lord segregated the Negro and who is man to change that segregation?... what God hath separated, let not man bring together again."(Race Problems--As They Affect The Church, Address by Apostle Mark L. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954)

[_moksha]

Sometimes they spoke as Apostles and Prophets and sometimes they spoke as boobs.

[_bcspace]

Here you go BC SpacedOut, because you are too damned lazy to look it up.

How do you know I didn't look it up? A good debater often knows the answer before he asks the question thereby making the opposition prove his point in giving the answer.

If you make the claim, it is incumbent on YOU to show the proof or the basis. Frankly, I think you guys are too afraid to admit that your quotes are out of context or not in a doctrinal work (suach as is the case here) which is why you don't see too many references unless someone calls you on it.

Make sure your argument is airtight next time or you'll lose the initiative yet again.

[_truth dancer]

Hi BC,

Let go of the "doctrine" argument and just go with teachings.

Here you have an apostle of Jesus Christ himself, speaking in an official capacity at the Lord's University, at a teaching conference.

OK...

No one is saying everything out of a guy's mouth is doctrine.

What many non-believers say is that it is strange that an apostle who is supposed to be in communion with God could be so completely, outrageously, cruelly out of touch with goodness and decency, let alone truth.

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[_John Larsen]

Sometimes they spoke as Apostles and Prophets and sometimes they spoke as boobs.

So really the only thing we know for sure is that prophets, seers and revelators cannot tell the difference between inspiration and boobery.

[_truth dancer]

Sometimes they spoke as Apostles and Prophets and sometimes they spoke as boobs.

So really the only thing we know for sure is that prophets, seers and revelators cannot tell the difference between inspiration and boobery.

Hi John,

LOL!

I think you have exactly identified the problem... the prophets, apostles, and other leaders (along with the average members) cannot distinguish their own ideas, beliefs, and opinions with those of, well, whomever is supposed to be giving inspiration or revelation.



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