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Well, we just found out the hypercritical and viscerally rude-toward-Mormons Calculus Crusader shares many-a-belief with the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, he may self-identify closely with their ideology. So let's take a look at Mr. "Mormonism is a patently identifiable fraud"'s belief system:

Cal's insensitive criticism of Joseph Smith shouldn't be so black and white since:

- The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society boldly claims to be the only organization God is using today to teach His truth and speak for Him. Sound familiar?

- Charles T. Russell founded the Jehovah's Witnesses movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots... Sound familiar?

- Russell claimed to be the only one with the truth, and he vigorously condemned all other Christian religions. Sound familiar?

- Rev. J. J. Ross published a pamphlet that exposed Russell's false claims and doctrines. He revealed that Russell "never attended the higher schools of learning; knows comparatively nothing of philosophy, systematic or historical theology; and is totally ignorant of the [biblical] languages [i.e. Hebrew and Greek]". ! Russell unsuccessfully tried to stop circulation of this damaging information by suing Rev. Ross for defamatory libel. However, Russell not only lost the suit, but in the process perjured himself in court when he lied under oath about his knowledge of the Greek language. Is this why Cal is hung up on Greek? Do we know anyone else taken to court and exposed as a fraud??

Anyway. On and on... Sweet Baby J, Cal Crusader was prima facie a typical dip**** Christian Crusader, but through slip ups and little admissions here and there he revealed his true self, and his true intentions. He's witnessing to the Mormons! What a vile little snake! Sneaky sneaky!


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A few more fun facts about the Jehovah's Witnesses while Cal is at the Kingdom Hall (no wonder he doesn't "attend a church"; he goes to a "Hall"):


- Russell continued to attract people with his fantastic prophetic interpretations and dramatic warnings that Armageddon would strike in 1914. When 1914 came and went, he changed the date to 1915. Russell died in 1916, leaving his followers doubting and disillusioned by his predictive failures. Joseph Franklin Rutherford then took control of the organization. So a follow-on firebrand took over the business? Sound familiar?

- Rutherford (1869-1942) also used the threat of Armageddon to intimidate Jehovah's Witnesses. He published The Finished Mystery, a book which predicted that in 1918 God would destroy churches and millions of their members, and claimed that by 1920 every kingdom would be swallowed up in anarchy. Rutherford taught that the only way to escape the impending judgment and destruction was to join the Watchtower organization.

Fear of Armageddon motivated Witnesses to work hard selling Rutherford's books and other Watchtower Society literature. When the 1918 and 1920 predictions failed, Rutherford set a new date in his book titled Millions Now Living Will Never Die (1920). It taught that the millennium would start in 1925 and that Old Testament saints like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David would come back to life. The WT Society even built a luxurious Spanish mansion called Beth-Sarim (House of Princes), supposedly to house these patriarchs. In the meantime, however, Rutherford conveniently moved into the mansion. He also drove an expensive new car throughout the Great Depression, while rank and file Witnesses sold Watchtower books and pamphlets door-to-door, and worked at Bethel headquarters for $10 - $15 a month. Six years after Rutherford's death in 1942, the Old Testament saints still had not arrived, so the Society quietly sold "Beth Sarim," thus closing an embarrassing chapter in their predictive history. Gee, didn't Brigham Young live in a mansion while the Saints sacrificed? God, this whole story sounds sooooo familiar!

- Under the leadership of Nathan H. Knorr the WT Society put away date setting for a time and switched to a different strategy. Since many of their teachings are easily refuted by key verses in the King James Bible, Knorr set out to publish a different Bible for Jehovah's Witnesses to use. Didn't someone we all know set about re-translating the Bible?

- Vice President Franz concluded that the autumn of 1975 would mark the beginning of the seventh period of human history. The Society was careful to avoid printing an outright prediction, but the message was clear to Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere — Armageddon was coming soon. Some even sold their homes and property in 1974 and were praised by their leaders for doing so. How many times were we told, growing up, that the 2nd Coming was at hand? That we're living in the Last Days?

I'm not seeing what makes Cal's faith any different than the one he's chosen to attack. It's a mystery to me.

Oh yeah. I have long seen the striking similarity in both the origins and the separateness of the two groups. It amazes me that there is so much antipathy between the two as they are far more similar than either is to mainstreamism. What is also amazing is how a Mormon can rapidly see the cracks in the JW history and doctrine and vice versa but most do not apply the same analysis to their own faith or at least, cannot nearly as easily see the cracks on their side.

How do you know that CC is a JW? Is this a guess, a conclusion you've reached from your analysis of CC's posts or a fact? I have read some of his posts (on another board) and never picked up on that. I'd be surprised. And why would he not admit this? I find it suspect if a person is not up front about where they're coming from. It's like being honourable enough to declare one's own bias, even when we're interacting anonymously.

Back to the similarities in the two groups, I have often wondered if Joseph Smith knew about C.T. Russell. It surely cannot be a coincidence that there were so many similarities. I think Joseph Smith was far more literate and knowledgeable than the "uneducated farm boy" image that many push.

Just a few of the surface similarities with the two groups include the facts that they were both started by a man at odds with their religious communities, both had legal troubles and were had up in court, both taught a different view of the Godhead than mainstream Christianity does (non-Trinitarian, for one), both deny the divinity of Christ (according to the beliefs of orthodox Christians; Jesus being "co-equal" and "co-eternal"), in part due to the teaching that Jesus was created (not God Eternal), both have a strong emphasis on End-Times, both encourage a separateness (JWs are very isolated from the community-at-large, Mormons see the world as LDS and Gentile), both insist that only they know The Truth (or the Full Gospel) of the universe, the mouthpiece thing, as anti mentioned, a patriarchal, authoritarian, male-dominated system and a zealous missionary outreach. There are also many similarities with doctrine and practice and interestingly, with their hierarchy, leadership and the corresponding mindsets of the leaders and their followers.

Interesting stuff.

antishock8 wrote:Well, we just found out the hypercritical and viscerally rude-toward-Mormons Calculus Crusader shares many-a-belief with the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, he may self-identify closely with their ideology. So let's take a look at Mr. "Mormonism is a patently identifiable fraud"'s belief system...

You are more of a moron than I previously gave you credit for. I share the JW's rejection of trinitarianism. I do not accept Russell or any of his successors as authorities, nor have I ever accepted them as authorities.

The Witness said on another forum that he identifies with the Jehovah's Witnesses! How cow. This all makes sense now. How was the Hall today, CC? You haven't been 'marked' have you for disavowing your faith on this forum?

*shudders*

Here's CC's blog, in which he delights discovering scams from Nigheria are... Uh... Scams from Nigeria.

http://huperborea.blogspot.com/

What kind of earth shattering commentary does he reveal about these newly discovered scams?

Ah, yes, the scam that tries to create a veneer of credibility by linking to an article about a plane crash. This is another favorite of mine.

All of these down-and-out scions should form a support group.

CC actually saves these spams in his inbox for commentary on his blog. His is a brilliant mind, indeed!

Calculus Crusader wrote:I share the JW's rejection of trinitarianism...

So what else do you share w/ JWs ?

Let's examine CC's brand a Christianity a little more closer, shall we? I think so...

On Gays:

My solution to the gay "marriage" dispute [is to] buy bellyaching gays a one way bus ticket to Canada. I'm sure I could get plenty of contributions for that.

Homosexuals will pump a bunch of money into the economy as they get "married," only to see their "marriages" invalidated with the passage of the amendment in November. That's a win-win in my book.

The Golen Rule apparently doesn't apply in CC's "brand" of Christianity!

On Abortion:

I propose allowing unrestricted access to abortion through the end of the 8th week of pregnancy... I could probably agree to 9 weeks...

I also support the decision to make Plan B available over the counter.

On leaving the Mormon church:

I am still on their rolls but I'm sure you'll agree that what really matters is if you are a member or not in your heart, and I am not.

On Christmas (JW's don't celebrate Christmas):

If I ever have children I do not plan on doing the Santa thing.

On Christianity:

I was no longer a believer in basic Christian dogma... I don’t feel right calling myself a Christian, since I do not currently credit the Atonement, which I see as the central point of Christian belief. And yet, I am not ashamed to be known as a follower of many of the principles that Jesus taught.... amen.

Sooo.... A self-identifying JW who rejects Christian dogma, who hates The Gays (he goes on and on about The Gays), who loves abortions, who selectively embraces and rejects The Bible has Everything Figured Out. Mr. "Mormonism is a Patent Fraud" believes and simultaneously rejects The Bible, loves him some invisible god, thinks abortion is peachy, and digs JW'ism. Oh, and he's figured out those d*mn scam artists from Nigeria!

Wow. Stunning.

TAK wrote:

Calculus Crusader wrote:I share the JW's rejection of trinitarianism...

So what else do you share w/ JWs ?

He's still a Mormon, TAK. I'm just f**king with him.

Speaking of two dudes f**king... Here's some more gems from CC reference The Gays:

Massachusetts gays divorcing, I am chortling with glee over this news.

I am heartened by the dissolution of unions that should never have occurred in the first place. Also, seeing drum-banging gay "marriage" advocates hoisted by their own petard is cause for Schadenfreude in these quarters.

You know what they say about dudes who have this much umbrage with The Gays... Hrm... He DID attend a "statistician conference" in San Fransisco... HRM>>>>> HRM>>>>> HRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMM.

CC's god, I have come to find out is... Get this...

TAGATHON (good deity)

Yup. I can't make this up. Here's a breakdown of TAGATHON:

Tagathon is a transcendent being who resides in the Empyrean, the uppermost of the Ten Heavens, where he concerns himself with all supercelestial affairs. He is all wise, benevolent, holy, righteous, and the creator of everything good.

Humans, dwarves, and elves are the pinnacle of his creation, having been created as moral agents. His chief enemy is the coeternal god of evil, whom he imprisoned long ago.

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It turns out CC isn't a JW Mormon-of-Record Christian...

He's a nerd.

You heard it here first, folks. The foul-mouthed tough guy CC is a f**king nerd.

Holy. crap.

It could be any god or any religion and the result would be the same, antishock. CC's a joke because he tries to take the intellectual high ground despite believing in irrational, supernatural crap. Any way you cut it, the guy's a pathetic farce.

*shrug*