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Daniel Peterson wrote:

Mister Scratch wrote:This ought to answer the question of whether or not he peddles people's in real life information in an unethical fashion.

I think it does. Had I actually wanted to reveal your in real life information, I would have outright said what I knew. As it is, I doubt that very many even noticed those obscure passing references in a relative handful of posts, and I doubt that, if they had, they would have known what to make of them.

Of course, this didn't stop you from 'outing' GoodK. Despicable.

If, in fact, Scratch does stay away, I'll miss the kinds of posts where he put together time lines and documented events. Those were some real gems.

Ray A wrote:Scratch is gone? Never mind. I've found my new role. I will take over where Scratch left off, but with a different angle (though not with half the grace, style, nor intellect) - I'm an anti-Mormon. He wasn't. He was right about many things, but as I said, his anonymity worked as much against him as for him.

"How long halt ye between two opinions?" 1st Kings 18:21

I'll start in the next few days (when I'm off work) by helping some "opinion halters" thinking a little more decivisely.

Somehow I just can't help but want to watch this train wreck from start to finish.

You go, Ray. You da man that can help those "opinion halters" think a little more "decivisely" -- whatever the hell that is.

And while you're at, we'll get to experience the "in progress" cautionary tale of you riding a bullet train curse, hell-bent for leather and self-immolation.

You were warned ... don't ever forget that.

William Schryver wrote:Somehow I just can't help but want to watch this train wreck from start to finish.

You go, Ray. You da man that can help those "opinion halters" think a little more "decivisely" -- whatever the hell that is.

And while you're at, we'll get to experience the "in progress" cautionary tale of you riding a bullet train curse, hell-bent for leather and self-immolation.

You were warned ... don't ever forget that.

I was "warned" in 1985. Twenty-four years later I'm free of your circle-jerk cult. With Mormons like you, who needs the Jim Joneses?

Ray:

I was "warned" in 1985.

And look what you’ve become in the meantime!

Hello!

Ray, you’re life has become a freaking disaster in the quarter century since you first violated your covenant with God. Look around you, my would-be nemesis! Do you like what you see?

Where is the committed love of an eternal companion with whom you might have relished life all this time, and whom you might have had beside you forever? What do you “enjoy” in its place?

Where is your posterity of gospel-rooted children and grandchildren, whose eyes shine with the pure light of truth and virtue?

Where is your peace of mind when you lie down at night?

The corrosion of your soul continues from day to day, leaving you bitter and cold; crippled and old.

Where is the light of truth and knowledge that might have steadily expanded your mind beyond the base and earthly thoughts upon which you are now fixated? Gone. Replaced with the vanity of the pretended wisdom and meagre intellectual attainments of men who know less of the meaning and purpose of our existence than your average primary child. You might have positioned yourself for learning on a galactic scale, and instead you’ve settled for the constricting walls of a dank flat and a dingy cab.

And now, from the source you’d least prefer, you’ve been warned again. That is perhaps the most ironic cut of all, I know, but you have to learn to hear God’s voice in the most unlikely of places, and be willing and humble enough to accept it regardless of its origin.

And so, I implore you again: get off this train before it's too late. The consequences of ignoring the warning I bring could very well fall upon you with much more force, alacrity, and permanence than did those of the previous 24 years.

But I fear your feet are set on this path, no matter if an angel should call upon you with a voice of thunder.

The choice is, as always, yours to make.

William Schryver wrote:Ray:

I was "warned" in 1985.

And look what you’ve become in the meantime!

Hello!

Ray, you’re life has become a freaking disaster in the quarter century since you first violated your covenant with God. Look around you, my would-be nemesis! Do you like what you see?

Where is the committed love of an eternal companion with whom you might have relished life all this time, and whom you might have had beside you forever? What do you “enjoy” in its place?

Where is your posterity of gospel-rooted children and grandchildren, whose eyes shine with the pure light of truth and virtue?

Where is your peace of mind when you lie down at night?

The corrosion of your soul continues from day to day, leaving you bitter and cold; crippled and old.

Where is the light of truth and knowledge that might have steadily expanded your mind beyond the base and earthly thoughts upon which you are now fixated? Gone. Replaced with the vanity of the pretended wisdom and meagre intellectual attainments of men who know less of the meaning and purpose of our existence than your average primary child. You might have positioned yourself for learning on a galactic scale, and instead you’ve settled for the constricting walls of a dank flat and a dingy cab.

And now, from the source you’d least prefer, you’ve been warned again. That is perhaps the most ironic cut of all, I know, but you have to learn to hear God’s voice in the most unlikely of places, and be willing and humble enough to accept it regardless of its origin.

And so, I implore you again: get off this train before it's too late. The consequences of ignoring the warning I bring could very well fall upon you with much more force, alacrity, and permanence than did those of the previous 24 years.

But I fear your feet are set on this path, no matter if an angel should call upon you with a voice of thunder.

The choice is, as always, yours to make.

My, my, it's going to be fun replying to this. Not ignoring you, Will, just saving the best for last.

William Schryver wrote:Ray:

I was "warned" in 1985.

And look what you’ve become in the meantime!

Having spent so much time with me, you obviously know. I have a very happy and fulfilled off-board life. And I am thankful my children didn’t have to go through what I did.

William Schryver wrote: Ray, you’re life has become a freaking disaster in the quarter century since you first violated your covenant with God. Look around you, my would-be nemesis! Do you like what you see?

Really? LOL! I love what I see – freedom from mental slavery.

William Schryver wrote: Where is the committed love of an eternal companion with whom you might have relished life all this time, and whom you might have had beside you forever?

Asking me to mow the Celestial Lawn? No thanks.

William Schryver wrote: What do you “enjoy” in its place?

My children, my job, the people I meet, beer, and the freedom to come and go as I please. In other words, just being normal, and not worrying and fretting about whether I'll have a thousand wives in the Celestial Kingdom, or whether Joseph will approve my Celestial Kingdom passport.

William Schryver wrote: Where is your posterity of gospel-rooted children and grandchildren, whose eyes shine with the pure light of truth and virtue?

Oh my Gawd. You mean for them to end up like you? (pass the vomit bag, please). They are beautiful, stable children, and I'm bursting with pride at how they turned out, minus Mormonism. I work for my son, and we get along great, and have great mutual respect. My youngest daughter turned 20 yesterday. She works as a nurse in aged care. I could not ask for a better result, after all those years of hard work. I shudder to think, genuinely, how the Church might have screwed them up. You have to appreciate what normal means, to understand what I'm saying.

William Schryver wrote: Where is your peace of mind when you lie down at night?

On working days I don’t get much sleep, but on nights off I sleep about 8-10 hours – like a baby in heavenly bliss. I don’t live in religious guilt, like you, and therefore my sleep is always sweet, and I wake up feeling free and happy - always. Without exception. But I must duly acknowledge that being a slave to Mormonism helped me appreciate this so much more, and that’s why, ironically, I thank my Mormon experience for the current peace I have. Sort of like Papillion escaping Devil’s Island.

William Schryver wrote: The corrosion of your soul continues from day to day, leaving you bitter and cold; crippled and old.

My experience with fanatical Mormons devoid of reason? Perhaps so.

William Schryver wrote: Where is the light of truth and knowledge that might have steadily expanded your mind beyond the base and earthly thoughts upon which you are now fixated?

If you are an example of this “expansion”, then Jesus, please save us from your followers.

William Schryver wrote: Replaced with the vanity of the pretended wisdom and meagre intellectual attainments of men who know less of the meaning and purpose of our existence than your average primary child. You might have positioned yourself for learning on a galactic scale, and instead you’ve settled for the constricting walls of a dank flat and a dingy cab.

You obviously think “cab drivers”, publicans and sinners, Samaritans, and anyone beneath your Mormon dignity too unworthy of your presence. I get that bit, loud and clear.

William Schryver wrote:And now, from the source you’d least prefer, you’ve been warned again. That is perhaps the most ironic cut of all, I know, but you have to learn to hear God’s voice in the most unlikely of places, and be willing and humble enough to accept it regardless of its origin.

I think Mormonism would be the most unlikely place. And I don’t “hear” God’s voice in what you post. All I hear is hatred.

William Schryver wrote:And so, I implore you again: get off this train before it's too late. The consequences of ignoring the warning I bring will fall upon you with much more force, alacrity, and permanence than did those of the previous 24 years.

The warning “I bring”? Much scripture study doth make thee mad, Will. I’m sure you’d like to see me really, really suffer, but guess what? You are not God. And you do not know the mind of God, and you do not speak for God – except in your vain, heated, and flowery religious imagination. You just can’t bear the thought that people can actually live happy and meaningful lives outside of Mormonism. ‘Tis too much for thee.

William Schryver wrote:But I fear your feet are set on this path, no matter if an angel should call upon you with a voice of thunder.

And no doubt you are that “angel”. Are you happy now that you’ve expressed your daily dose of self-righteous loathing for those who choose a different path? Do you feel better? Is your religious ego satisfied? Do you imagine God saying, “thanks, Will, just what I would have said”? As someone wise once said, “don’t distress yourself with dark imaginings”, Will, people aren’t as bad as you like to think.

William Schryver wrote:The choice is, as always, yours to make.

And what you say will not make an iota of difference. You don’t compel admiration from me, just pity.
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Where is the committed love of an eternal companion with whom you might have relished life all this time, and whom you might have had beside you forever?

(will from the "wheels" thread, responding to KA)

xxooxx to you, too.

You know, I was a little chagrined about the thought of you moving down a cupsize, but I have to say that, based on your Easter photo, it worked out very well; you look pretty damn hot for a thirty-something mother of 4!

No man who really respects and loves his "eternal companion" would talk the way you do about other women. The only person who should feel chagrined is your poor wife.

beastie wrote:
No man who really respects and loves his "eternal companion" would talk the way you do about other women. The only person who should feel chagrined is your poor wife.

You beat me to it! Post discarded now that it's been said.

Ray:

… what you say will not make an iota of difference.

I realize that, of course. But I had to say it anyway. And having now said all I set out to say, I’ll leave you to your fate.
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beastlie:

No man who really respects and loves his "eternal companion" would talk the way you do about other women. The only person who should feel chagrined is your poor wife.

Trust me, she doesn’t.

And I still say that Kimberly looks pretty damn hot for a thirty-something mother of 4. You go, girl! I may not agree with your opinions when it comes to religion, but I admire many of the things you're doing in your life. I think you deserve the compliments you receive, even though beastlie doesn’t seem to see what I say in that light.