William Schryver - The Vulgar Scatologist of LDS Apologetics

[_Ludd]

This is clearly not true, since I know that at least three "reasonable outside observers" (besides Peterson and those who have posted on this board) who have read what Schryver wrote in MsJack's misogyny thread and came away from it wondering what all the fuss was about.

The simple fact is that you folks are delusional when it comes to this issue. "REasonable outside observers" see this quite plainly, even if you don't.

BYU must be delusional too.

I've seen no evidence that "BYU" is aware of or agrees with you on this issue. At any rate, it's time for me to go home and forget about this place for the time being.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Yes, it's obvious you're not alone. That doesn't make your opinion correct, however. This place is an example of group-think gone crazy.

If it's OK in your circles to make unwanted jokes about women's breasts and then continue after you are asked to stop then you run in some very strange circles.

[_Ludd]

See my reply to beastie just above this post. I don't consider comments about breast reduction surgery particularly "lewd". I can't recall having seen a single thing Schryver said that I would categorize as lewd. Except perhaps for the masturbating to his wife thing. That at least comes close to being a bit lewd, although I've certainly seen much worse here from other regular posters. The sexually explicit things liz3467 posted are a really good example.

So you'd be fine with a stranger going on and on about your wife's breasts and how aroused he was when he saw her in a revealing dress?

If my wife wore a dress that barely covered her breasts, I think I would expect such comments. Maybe that's why the woman in question is now divorced (per what was said on another thread about her). Her husband probably didn't like the fact that she was wearing porn-star attire in public.

[_Bob Loblaw]

If my wife wore a dress that barely covered her breasts, I think I would expect such comments. Maybe that's why the woman in question is now divorced. Her husband didn't like the fact that she was wearing porn-star attire in public.

Have you seen the dress? What you describe above is Schryver's creepy description of the dress, not the reality. Not that you didn't already know that.

You are really a piece of work.

[_Ludd]

Yes, it's obvious you're not alone. That doesn't make your opinion correct, however. This place is an example of group-think gone crazy.

If it's OK in your circles to make unwanted jokes about women's breasts and then continue after you are asked to stop then you run in some very strange circles.

Where did the woman ask Schryver to "cease and desist" about his comments towards her? I missed that.
Anyway, I really have to go now. I might check back in next Friday, if I get the chance.

[_Bob Loblaw]

My friend was right. He said if I started posting here I'd lose all respect for apologists but he probably didn't think it would happen so fast.

[_TheLordofPosts]

Bah!

[_Bob Loblaw]

Here are a few things Kimberly has said:

May 15 2009:

Your comments generally don't rile me, Will, but I do hope you're not suggesting that I was one of the "easy" chicks you saw at Exmo Conference, or that I'm one of the "hos" mentioned in your song parody, because nothing could be further from the truth.

There's not one female poster on this board who is a "ho."

Also, it's no big deal, but for the record, my dress wasn't what you remember, Will. Admittedly, I bristled a bit when you said I looked like I belonged at an Adult Film Industry convention. I didn't. The dress I wore was an Anne Klein wrap dress with three-quarter length sleeves and a skirt length to just below the knee. It did have a plunging neckline, but it wasn't as low-cut as dresses worn by other women that evening. Those women were just shaped differently than me. :)

Anyway, I'm not easy and I'm no ho.

Schryver says in response:

KA:
There's not one female poster on this board who is a "ho."

I think you may be right. As far as I can tell, they’re all males.

Also, it's no big deal, but for the record, my dress wasn't what you remember, Will.

Could be I missed the forest for the trees.

… I'm not easy and I'm no ho.

You know what they say: “Easy is as easy does.”

In any case, if you’d like to be offended, don’t let me get in your way.

Feb 17 2010:

I have to say this ongoing mentioning of a black dress I wore years ago to an Ex-Mormon conference is growing tiresome. It's being made out to be something it's not. The completely unwarranted brouhaha should have died down long ago. I thought by simply letting it go that the comments would stop, but that hasn't proven a successful strategy thus far.

So, I just now--and I do mean just now--put on the dress and snapped some pics of myself so that everyone can see for themselves just how not-a-big-deal the dress was and is. My daughter's camera is crappy. I'm literally wearing the dress over my exercise pants. My white socks and tennis shoes are still on, and they look very silly with a black dress, so there are no full-length shots. The mirror is dirty in my daughter's room. (I must remember to make her clean it soon!)

So, without further ado, the black dress that is supposedly fit for a porn conference:

*images snipped*

There. I'm not embarrassed of it. I don't think it's immodest. If someone has a problem with my dress, I'd say that someone is big-time repressed! Seriously, it's nothing one wouldn't see at any given restaurant on any given Friday night. Good grief!

To which Mr. Schryver responded:

The breast reduction surgery appears to have been successful.

lol

1 Nephi 14:11

From Kimberly:

Also, just so folks know, I knew before I hit "submit" on this thread that Will would comment. I don't mind. It's okay. I wanted to show that the dress I wore to Ex-Mo conference isn't a little spaghetti strap number (not that I think there's anything wrong with those), it isn't fit for an AVN Conference--it's not any big deal at all. It's just a black cocktail dress.

I think anyone having a problem with the dress has problems of his or her own. ...

While it is true that Will's extremism may be an example of Mormonism gone awry, there are several Mormons who have replied with kindness to this thread and who have rebuked Will openly. They are examples of what is good and right in people, regardless of their religion.

Thanks, all.

Kimberly

Feb 18 2010:

I wanted to put to rest the unwarranted conjecture about a dress I wore three years ago. From various online descriptions of it, one would think I spent that October evening of 2006 wearing less than a Kleenex! In reality, I wore a black, conservative cocktail dress to dinner and then enjoyed Brent Metcalfe's presentation. I hope it's obvious now, at least to most folks, that all the hullabaloo over "The Dress" was much ado about nothing.

Feb 19 2010:

Krose, your observations are spot-on.

From seeing me one time in the same dress as pictured in the OP, Will has somehow determined that I'm a whore. He has repeatedly, over the span of at least two years, made comments like the following:

Will Schryver wrote:
I'm easy. (Just like Kimberly Ann! )


From seeing me once. Good grief.

I certainly haven't been put through the wringer like John or personally affected by Will's antics like Trevor; they've bigger gripes than me. If there is a pound of flesh to be had, they get their share first. I'll pass on any leftovers.

[Schryver] could [publish his work] sooner, rather than later, if he'd spend less time fostering his creepy obsession with my physique.

From a post made about two or so weeks ago:

William Schryver wrote:
You might be interested in the fact that a couple people were once given the task of investigating the basis for the oft-repeated claim of my wanton vulgarity. What was the result of this rather exhaustive investigation? It was that, although a few minor blushes were induced (amidst the belly laughs), there was deemed to be virtually no substantive basis for the allegations; quotes were found to have been routinely taken out of context, thus entirely altering their true meaning, and a large proportion of the "vulgarities" attributed to me were entirely fabricated out of whole cloth (like, for example, the frequently repeated allegation that I called the golden-haired Kimberly Ann a "whore.")

(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)


FAIR has made a deal with the devil and they do not care.

Are these the kinds of comments anyone here would say or think were right and proper? Does Kimberly sound like she enjoys being called a whore, ho, and dressed for a porn convention? What is wrong with these apologists?

[_lulu]

Anyway, I really have to go now. I might check back in next Friday, if I get the chance.

A whole week off, but what of your information gathering?

[_beastie]

If my wife wore a dress that barely covered her breasts, I think I would expect such comments. Maybe that's why the woman in question is now divorced (per what was said on another thread about her). Her husband probably didn't like the fact that she was wearing porn-star attire in public.

You're a real class act, Will. Always have been.