Wives of Joseph Smith offspring

[_Maxrep]

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/DNA.htm

I was hoping to find someone here that had some familiarity with the testing measures fro Josephs offspring. Has progress been made? Are the testing methods reliable? Are the organizations funding these projects bias? Why are such lengthy time tables needed to establish an outcome?

[_Maxrep]

I just read over on Madb, that the DNA research may be on hold. No reason was mentioned. Perhaps finding a match actually changes the direction of the project, which leads to some reconsiderations of how useful this endeavor is.

[_beastie]

There have been rumors for a while that the DNA testing for Josephine Lyon's descendants were "promising" in far as affirming that Joseph Smith was her father.

(whoops, I see you already have that link in your OP)

Since Josephine would have been the product of a polyandrous marriage, perhaps that created some hesitancy in completing the project.

Do you have a link to the MAD thread where it was stated that it's been suspended?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Maxrep,

Not to claim prophetesshood or anything but when I first heard about this DNA testing, (what was that about six or seven years ago?), I predicted that any results concluding Joseph Smith was not the father of a child from a woman other than Emma would be shared but, IF there was any testing that showed Joseph Smith did father some children (or a child) from women and/or girls other than Emma, there would be some sort of excuse for not sharing those results, for example, those involved in the testing did not want the information shared, or the testing was done with private funding and those who funded the project wanted it kept private, or something along these lines.

Hmmmm....


~td~

[_beastie]

there would be some sort of excuse for not sharing those results, for example, those involved in the testing did not want the information shared, or the testing was done with private funding and those who funded the project wanted it kept private, or something along these lines.

Exactly. And anyone who dares to suggest that the real reason the research was ended had to do with the possibility of a positive result, particularly for a polyandrous wife, will be accused of being paranoid and seeing black helicopters circling overhead.

[_truth dancer]

Interesting that on the MAD thread, it is stated that on FamilySearch. org, Josephine Lyon is listed as the daughter of Joseph Smith.


Josephine Lyon is the daughter of Joseph Smith

[_moksha]

So you are suggesting that non-faith promoting DNA findings by the discontinued BYU genetics program or LDS-run Sorenson Labs would be unreported for not being useful? If so, you must remember that the Mantle is far greater than the lab coat.

[_Maxrep]

Beastie,

the comment on the "Suspension of the project" on the MAD board was an offhand remark that did not pertain to the thread, so there was no real discussion on the subject. I'll still try and link it later.

TD,

if you can post your prediction from years past, that would be great! I would bestow "Oracle Status" upon you for a full 30 days! :)


It seems fruitless to release some information on DNA findings with regards to Josephs progeny, if we can't also be aware of the results that are withheld. In other words, were the game rules shared with everyone at the onset of the project?

[_Brackite]

Interesting that on the MAD thread, it is stated that on FamilySearch. org, Josephine Lyon is listed as the daughter of Joseph Smith.


Josephine Lyon is the daughter of Joseph Smith

Hello Truth dancer,

Here are a few Posts, From that MA&D Thread:

Because he probably is her biological father.

Last I had heard the DNA research was on hold. Don't know why. Someone here may have better information on that than I do.

As far as what people think— some think that Josephine was Joseph's daughter through his sealing to Sylvia but not biologically. A previous post mentioned the case of Heber J. Grant being considered the son of Joseph because Rachel, his mother, was sealed to Joseph (after his death??) but was the biological son of Jedidiah M Grant.

The other side of that argument is, of course, that Josephine is the biological daughter of the Prophet. Some think the fact that Sylvia specifically said that she had kept this secret and only revealed it on her deathbed supports the idea that Josephine was Joseph's biological daughter.

I'm not sure what I think. I am interested though in seeing the DNA research continue.

There is good evidence that she was the biological daughter of Joseph Smith. At this time there is no DNA evidence due to certain things not being passed down in genetics. I am really off on this, but my understanding is that they typically take DNA from living relatives of each person and compare those, but father to daughter is harder to do after so many generations because what they look at doesn't pass down. There is something on the wives of Joseph Smith website explaining it all. The only real way to do this would be to exhume the body which I can guarantee the CoC (or RLDS) won't allow since they have the rights to Joseph's body.

Why the sealing was done later, well I think all those sealings were redone. I have no idea why. Have you looked at Joseph and Emma to see when their sealing is recorded on there? Or Joseph and any of the other plural wives?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Maxrep,

You wrote...

if you can post your prediction from years past, that would be great! I would bestow "Oracle Status" upon you for a full 30 days! :)

Hah... Oracle status I have achieved!

Here is a post from ZLMB dated 10-08-04:

I'm an Oracle

Here is my guess....

I think the study will disclose only those people tested who were shown NOT to be descendants of Joseph Smith....

So, for example if 10 people were tested and say five were shown NOT to be descendants, the report will discuss these five. There will be no mention of those who actually were descendants.

Just my guess...

Thanks Brackite for the posts... ohhh a walk down memory lane!

~td~