The Dangers of Fundamentalism -- John Dominic Crossan.

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The Dangers of Fundamentalism -- John Dominic Crossan.

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The Dangers of Fundamentalism -- John Dominic Crossan. (You Tube, 4:55)

"Every religion must take responsibility for its fundamentalism" - Crossan.


As far as Heber C. Kimball's proposed solution to pressing social problems _ sounds good to me. Hang a few gays, prostitutes, child molesters, defrauders, and the like in the public square, and before too long you'll have produced a much more hospitable environment for making and raising families. Start with the apostates ... - "Wheat"

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I had thought of posting this on MAD, but decided against it because Crossan breaches "Godwin's Law". If you haven't viewed the video, it's worth a look. Fundamentalisms of any kind can be dangerous, but here Crossan is talking mainly about religious fundamentalism.

Crossan has a very unorthodox view of Christianity, nevertheless considers himself a Christian. He doesn't even believe in an afterlife.

John Dominic Crossan, Who Is Jesus?.

This book is one of the most intriguing reads I've ever had, if for nothing else than making you THINK. This is only a preview.
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Ray A wrote:The Dangers of Fundamentalism -- John Dominic Crossan. (You Tube, 4:55)

"Every religion must take responsibility for its fundamentalism" - Crossan.


As far as Heber C. Kimball's proposed solution to pressing social problems _ sounds good to me. Hang a few gays, prostitutes, child molesters, defrauders, and the like in the public square, and before too long you'll have produced a much more hospitable environment for making and raising families. Start with the apostates ... - "Wheat"

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It strikes me that the only Mormons I've encountered who fit the description given in that video are certain internet apologists.

Most members of the Church I know personally have gotten so used to defending themselves against others claiming that they aren't Christians that they would hardly consider labeling themselves as the only Christians. Maybe that's a reaction acquired through living in the Bible Belt (vs. Utah), but then I'd just at a loss to explain Droopy's hubris.
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William Lane Craig debated Crossan in 1995. People may find this book of interest:

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Real-Jesus-P ... 0801021758
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richardMdBorn wrote:William Lane Craig debated Crossan in 1995. People may find this book of interest:

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Real-Jesus-P ... 0801021758


Perhaps This Blogger gives an accurate view.

In revising Craig's bio though, I did like this statement;

While Craig holds that theism can be demonstrated, he also embraces the Plantingian view that no argument is necessary for justified belief in God.


No doubt an intriguing person also.
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Ray A wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:William Lane Craig debated Crossan in 1995. People may find this book of interest:

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Real-Jesus-P ... 0801021758


Perhaps This Blogger gives an accurate view.

In revising Craig's bio though, I did like this statement;

While Craig holds that theism can be demonstrated, he also embraces the Plantingian view that no argument is necessary for justified belief in God.


No doubt an intriguing person also.
I attended the Craig Crossan debate in 1995. The summary in your link is reasonable (Crossan did poorly). I've had dinner with Craig a couple of times though that was in the mid 90s and our paths have not crossed recently.
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The Plantingian view, also known as "Get off my lawn, you goddamned philosophers! I'll believe whatever the hell I want!"
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richardMdBorn wrote:I attended the Craig Crossan debate in 1995. The summary in your link is reasonable (Crossan did poorly). I've had dinner with Craig a couple of times though that was in the mid 90s and our paths have not crossed recently.


I've heard his name quite a lot, but don't know much about him. I'll have to rectify that in the coming months. If you have any recommendations for reading, preferably good links (apart from the one above), I'll take a look.
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Ray A wrote:The Dangers of Fundamentalism -- John Dominic Crossan. (You Tube, 4:55)

"Every religion must take responsibility for its fundamentalism" - Crossan.


As far as Heber C. Kimball's proposed solution to pressing social problems _ sounds good to me. Hang a few gays, prostitutes, child molesters, defrauders, and the like in the public square, and before too long you'll have produced a much more hospitable environment for making and raising families. Start with the apostates ... - "Wheat"

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Some time ago, I wrote a series titled Dangers of Religion. In that, I gave multiple links which demonstrated those dangers.

“Religion” does not “take responsibility” for anything. Religions rely on truth by assertion. As a result, no rationale is required nor relevant in religions. The many branches of various religions make different claims (assertions). Such claims are true because a given individual or a given organization (denomination) asserts its claims are true.

There are elements of “fundamentalism” in all religious claims. There is no “responsibility.” Internal contradictions and contradictions with other religious views are dismissed or used to further claim validity of one religious perspective over another.

The video is verbal double speak. It’s overly complex as it attempts to define and parse words and meaning of words. While the speaker makes some historical points, he begs the question of religious claims which are inherently fundamentalist in perspective.

No religion is anything without strong elements of fundamentalism. It’s a requirement of religion. If one religious perspective is to distinguish itself from another perspective, it must embrace fundamentalism at some level. It cannot be generally accepting of all religions. It must claim exclusivity. In so doing, it is fundamentalist. It is in fundamentalism that any religious view claims exclusivity and over-riding truth over other religious constructions.

It is the claim to ultimate superiority. Absent that, any religion must acknowledge that it is but one among many religions. There is no power or strength in such an ecumenical soft religion.

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I viewed one of Craig's online videos, and he said that he "knows Christianity is true because the Holy Spirit revealed it" to him. Maybe he hasn't talked to many ordinary Muslims. Craig's testimony sounded much like what you'd hear on Fast Sunday, and his apologetics reminds me much of Mormon apologetics. If you have a problem, look at the evidence, and eventually it will confirm what you know "by the Spirit".

Tom Paine's deism sounds a lot more reasonable to me.
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