In response to Daniel's request

[_harmony]

From the Trinity thread:

harmony wrote:
the total unfairness of Daniel's repeated comments about this board... ie, that there are no serious, relevant, or reasonable discussion that happen here.

Where have I said that?

Please supply some actual quotations.

I won't go to the MMM thread, although it does still live in infamy and is chock full of derisive comments about this board. Instead, a recent example, as requested, from the John Clark thread:

Runtu wrote:
I suspect you wouldn't respond substantively, so what's the point?

I don't do substance.

Why on earth would I do it here?

Just one of many. I'm sure others can find equally enlightening, or even more enlightening comments. They are welcome to find and quote them on this thread, so as to not derail the other one.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I won't go to the MMM thread, although it does still live in infamy and is chock full of derisive comments about this board. Instead, a recent example, as requested, from the John Clark thread:

I don't do substance.

Why on earth would I do it here?

Just one of many. I'm sure others can find equally enlightening, or even more enlightening comments. They are welcome to find and quote them on this thread, so as to not derail the other one.

Nice try, harmony.

But transparently inadequate.

Nowhere, in the statement that you quote from me, do I say that "there are no serious, relevant, or reasonable discussion[s] that happen here."

Such discussions have been known to occur here. I've seen a few with my own eyes.

I simply find the noise to signal ratio here unacceptably high -- both in general and, to an even greater extent, when I'm personally involved (e.g., the noise from the Scratches).

And my declaration that "I don't do substance" -- though the serious Scratch, at least, pretends to take it at face value as a sober personal confession -- was manifestly tongue-in-cheek. Nobody who honestly looks at "Mormonism and the Trinity," my recent Oxford piece on "A Prophet Emerging," "Nephi and His Asherah," "On Moses 7 and the Motif of the Weeping God," my Muhammad biography, my Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, and etc., and etc., can sincerely deny that I do substance, whether he or she agrees with me or not.

Incidentally, why so hostile today? You've been after me from my first post here, and on very flimsy grounds.

[_harmony]

Incidentally, why so hostile today? You've been after me from my first post here, and on very flimsy grounds.

I guess I have been. I obviously pissed Jason off enough for him to try to take me to the woodshed, which is rare.

It just feels like you look down your nose at us, and that makes me cranky. Like you sit on Mt Olympus and think ridiculing and mocking us is the right thing to do, when all most of are trying to do is just put one foot in front of the other and live a good life on our own terms. I'm sure you haven't opened the thread about my daughter's experience with an LDS softball team, because that's not the kind of thread you'd ever read let alone participate on, but that's what it feels like to me... like you wouldn't shake her hand either, since she played for another team that beat yours. That kind of uppitiness just annoys me.

I'm just struggling with being identified as a stuck-up Mormon, because that's what my community thinks of Mormons, when I'm not like that. And then I come here and see the same sort of attitude, and I get cranky. My reaction to your attitude (and it's not even your attitude now, but I'm still irritated at that softball team's attitude and it feels so similiar to what your attitude has been sometimes in the past)...anyway, my reaction isn't your fault, though, and I need to work on being more charitable. My bad, not your fault.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I guess I have been.

You have been.

It just feels like you look down your nose at us, and that makes me cranky. Like you sit on Mt Olympus and think ridiculing and mocking us is the right thing to do, when all most of are trying to do is just put one foot in front of the other and live a good life on our own terms.

You don't know me, harmony. Don't forget that. You don't know me. You've never met me.

I'm sure you haven't opened the thread about my daughter's experience with an LDS softball team,

I haven't even seen it. But you should know that I returned late last night from California, that I had come to California from Arizona, that I've been in Arizona and California for the past ten days or so, and that I spent a sizeable portion of month before that in Israel and Egypt, and that, when I'm traveling, looking in on message boards isn't a very high priority for me even when it's technically possible -- which, in many portions of the Middle East, it isn't.

because that's not the kind of thread you'd ever read let alone participate on, but that's what it feels like to me...

I tend to view message boards as places for issues, not as the places where I live my social life, do my charity, and the like. I prefer my real life real, not virtual.

I have a wide circles of friends, in and out of the Church, across North America and beyond. I come here for issues, not for ersatz sociality.

One of the ways I try to restrict my involvement here (besides resolving not to be pulled into any more interminable nonsense with either the serious Scratch or his sockpuppet Kishkumen Scratch or the satirical faux Scratch who calls herself Gadianton) is by paying attention, at the absolute maximum, to only two or three threads in any given period.

like you wouldn't shake her hand either, since she played for another team that beat yours. That kind of uppitiness just annoys me.

You don't know me, harmony. Don't forget that. You don't know me. You've never met me.

I'm just struggling with being identified as a stuck-up Mormon, because that's what my community thinks of Mormons, when I'm not like that. And then I come here and see the same sort of attitude, and I get cranky. My reaction to your attitude (and it's not even your attitude now, but I'm still irritated at that softball team's attitude and it feels so similiar to what your attitude has been sometimes in the past)...

Again, you don't know me.

Ask Shades how I've treated him in real life. Or California Kid. Or any number of other critics. I'm not trying to boast, but I'm simply not the arrogant swine that you imagine me to be, and that you've pronounced me to be more times over the past several years than I can begin to count.

anyway, my reaction isn't your fault, though, and I need to work on being more charitable. My bad, not your fault.

Some time away from the board might be helpful. Nice music, a pleasant movie, something like that . . .

[_harmony]

Note to self: never expect anything but an arrogant putdown from Daniel.

[_Paul Osborne]

serious Scratch or his sockpuppet Kishkumen Scratch or the satirical faux Scratch who calls herself Gadianton) is by paying attention, at the absolute maximum, to only two or three threads in any given period.

You must be pretty smart. I wish I had your brains.

Paul O

[_Daniel Peterson]

Note to self: never expect anything but an arrogant putdown from Daniel.

And always remember: It's Daniel who condemns other people, calls them names, etc. And the most appalling thing about his behavior is that innocent victims of his (like harmony) treat him with such charity.

I'm sorry if your daughter was mistreated. But I didn't do it, and I wasn't there. I don't really know what happened.

[_Jersey Girl]

Wait a second...

It just feels like you look down your nose at us, and that makes me cranky. Like you sit on Mt Olympus and think ridiculing and mocking us is the right thing to do, when all most of are trying to do is just put one foot in front of the other and live a good life on our own terms.

harm,

I honestly NEVER get that impression from Daniel's posts on this board. Quite the opposite is true. He's just a guy, harm.

Just a guy. Seriously.

[_harmony]

Wait a second...

It just feels like you look down your nose at us, and that makes me cranky. Like you sit on Mt Olympus and think ridiculing and mocking us is the right thing to do, when all most of are trying to do is just put one foot in front of the other and live a good life on our own terms.

harm,

I honestly NEVER get that impression from Daniel's posts on this board. Quite the opposite is true. He's just a guy, harm.

Just a guy. Seriously.

We see through different lenses, Jersey. 'Nuff said.

[_Jersey Girl]

I think that's really true, harm, that we see him through different lenses. I don't get the same sense from his posts that you do.