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I recently listened to the Beehive House Tour podcast from Mike, Hyrum (who I met once at an exmo conference luncheon) and Dave and almost couldn't bear listening to the sister missionary at the end of the tour practically begging Hyrum to stop giving her information. What he was telling her was true, but she didn't know it. She had no idea that Joseph Smith married the wives of other men. It was obviously shocking to her and it shouldn't have been. She should have known! What a disservice it was sending her to serve a mission giving tours of the Beehive House without knowing that pertinent information. I just cannot help but feel sorry for her.

When I went on a tour of the Beehive House at the last exmo conference, my group of exmos wasn't confrontational, but I pointed out to other members of the touring group that Brigham Young was a polygamist. If I hadn't said anything, polygamy never would have been mentioned at all on the tour. Goodness. That was a few years ago. I wonder if that has changed by now? Has anyone gone on a tour recently?

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KA

This is pathetic. I think the church is going to lose more members in the long run because the facts like this are getting out, especially with the invention of the internet.

It's like the reason you tell your kids about sex. So they won't find out from someone else first and learn wrong information.

Although I admit I'm just having doubts about the church and haven't yet resigned my membership, I really think they have lied themselves into a hole they can't get out of. On this tour alone topics such as blood atonement, polyandry, money extortion, racism, etc. that occured in church history were flat-out denied by the tour guides. You know they will get curious and try to verify these things, and when they do it will shake their faith.

I agree with the OP that I really felt for these girls, because this church is probably all they know, and when they find out what type of people these church leaders really were it will be devastating. I did like the way the girls handled the situation even when the controversial stuff came up, and I hope they find out the truth about the church before they get in too deep, like temple marriage, etc. I think people should be told the truth about it before joining. I know if I knew before my baptism what I know now I definitely would not have joined.

I highly recommend listening to this podcast though, because it is very revealing how missionaries for the church have false information that is passed on to tour guests.

On the other hand, it is rather sad that someone would attempt to make a fool out of someone for a podcast. I am sure that each question was well planned. And I can assure you, they were meant to confuse the guide. However, I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but I am sure that the motive behind the podcast was to show just how 'stupid' members are.

Now we should all go home and watch Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed in It's a Wonderful Life.

why me wrote:On the other hand, it is rather sad that someone would attempt to make a fool out of someone for a podcast. I am sure that each question was well planned. And I can assure you, they were meant to confuse the guide. However, I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but I am sure that the motive behind the podcast was to show just how 'stupid' members are.

Now we should all go home and watch Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed in It's a Wonderful Life.

I got the impression the one guy was just concerned about the church his wife had started going to and wanted to learn more about it. However, the other two guys seem like they did rehearse ahead of time what issues they were going to bring up, intending fully to stump the guides.

One thing they brought up that I didn't even know about was the fact that Brigham Young died owing the church $1 million ($18 million in today's currency). This had nothing to do with the tour so I think it was something they planned to bring up to stump the guide. However, does anyone know the circumstances behind the loan, or was this simply him skimming the money from the church, who in turn wrote it off as a note payable? That does seem unbelievably large for a "loan"? They claim they read it in his biography, but can this be confirmed? Anyone know more?

The whole podcast gave me the creeps. Here we have two nice guides who were happy and friendly and yet they were being set up the whole time for an antimormon podcast. Talk about deceit. Plus, I have a hard time believing Hyrum's name story in the beginning.

But really, if this is the tactics of the antimormons I really do feel sorry for them. Plus, to have a child in the beginning of the podcast say what she said, is kinda brainwashing the child. But this whole podcast is deceitful, especially since it is focused on how the church deceives its members.

Still listening to the podcast as they attempt to torture the guide who is doing her best to be friendly. So Kimberly, you like this podcast??

'Why did you come here'? was a good question for the podcast deceivers asked by the young woman. Good for her. I have to admire the young missionary. As she said about polygamy, it was right for that time...gosh I admire that young missionary.

And then again the child's voice appears at the end....wow what class!!

KimberlyAnn wrote:That was a few years ago. I wonder if that has changed by now? Has anyone gone on a tour recently?

Kimberly,
I went on a tour a year and a half ago, and they were mentioning polygamy. I took the ground-floor only version of the tour since I was short on time, but they did mention that the church back then was called to live plural marriage as a principal of the Gospel, which is perfectly acceptable when instituted by God, and that God speaks through his prophets when the principal is to be lived the same way he did with some prophets in the Bible. The sisters then went on to give their testimony that we are led by living prophets in this dispensation. So, they were pretty open about polygamy when I took the tour. I remember the guide even told us how many children BY had.

LDSDoubter wrote:I got the impression the one guy was just concerned about the church his wife had started going to and wanted to learn more about it. However, the other two guys seem like they did rehearse ahead of time what issues they were going to bring up, intending fully to stump the guides.

I think that they were all in it together and they came as friends. Also, it may be illegal to secretly tape someone. I think that the people need to be informed that they are being taped. And in this case, unless I missed something, they didn't inform anyone.

why me wrote:

LDSDoubter wrote:I got the impression the one guy was just concerned about the church his wife had started going to and wanted to learn more about it. However, the other two guys seem like they did rehearse ahead of time what issues they were going to bring up, intending fully to stump the guides.

I think that they were all in it together and they came as friends. Also, it may be illegal to secretly tape someone. I think that the people need to be informed that they are being taped. And in this case, unless I missed something, they didn't inform anyone.

In Utah, as long as at least one party is aware of the taping, it is perfectly legal to record a conversation without everyone's knowledge or consent.

But to your point, I was uncomfortable with this podcast, although I enjoyed their other ones. I don't think they came off very well.

John Larsen wrote:

I think that they were all in it together and they came as friends. Also, it may be illegal to secretly tape someone. I think that the people need to be informed that they are being taped. And in this case, unless I missed something, they didn't inform anyone.

In Utah, as long as at least one party is aware of the taping, it is perfectly legal to record a conversation without everyone's knowledge or consent.

But to your point, I was uncomfortable with this podcast, although I enjoyed their other ones. I don't think they came off very well.

As a piece of investigative "citizen journalism" it was good. I think that it was uncomfortable because of the somewhat confrontational nature of the piece.

Its like telling a child that Santa clause does not exist. Compounding this is that we see how we would have dealt in the situation, plus they were sweet spirited sisters being confronted with the hard realities. Two incompatible worlds were colliding and no constructive dialogue arose.