Eligibility for Outer Darkness

[_harmony]

What are some things that might qualify one for OD?

1. OD is tied to the priesthood, so one must be male, since only males can hold the priesthood. No women in OD.

2. one must have proper authority... In other words, one must hold all of the keys of the priesthood... In other words, one must be called as a prophet, seer, and revelator. No one else holds all the keys. So all those murderers, adulterers, and assorted other sinners aren't going to OD.

3. after a man has the proper authority, he must then turn his back on what he knows is the truth and directly spit in God's face.

Seems to me like writing a revelation, passing it off as coming from God, and then using it to circumvent God's most sacred vows might qualify a man for OD.

Not gonna be many men in OD, but those that are there aren't going to be murderers, adulterers, or lesser sinners. Those that are there are the ones who knew God's methods, and thought they could sneak something by God when he wasn't looking. Problem is... he's always looking.

OD's a mighty lonely place.

[_The Nehor]

What are some things that might qualify one for OD?

1. OD is tied to the priesthood, so one must be male, since only males can hold the priesthood. No women in OD.

2. one must have proper authority... In other words, one must hold all of the keys of the priesthood... In other words, one must be called as a prophet, seer, and revelator. No one else holds all the keys. So all those murderers, adulterers, and assorted other sinners aren't going to OD.

3. after a man has the proper authority, he must then turn his back on what he knows is the truth and directly spit in God's face.

Seems to me like writing a revelation, passing it off as coming from God, and then using it to circumvent God's most sacred vows might qualify a man for OD.

Not gonna be many men in OD, but those that are there aren't going to be murderers, adulterers, or lesser sinners. Those that are there are the ones who knew God's methods, and thought they could sneak something by God when he wasn't looking. Problem is... he's always looking.

OD's a mighty lonely place.

CFR on 1, 2, and the suppositions of 3.

[_harmony]

What are some things that might qualify one for OD?

1. OD is tied to the priesthood, so one must be male, since only males can hold the priesthood. No women in OD.

2. one must have proper authority... In other words, one must hold all of the keys of the priesthood... In other words, one must be called as a prophet, seer, and revelator. No one else holds all the keys. So all those murderers, adulterers, and assorted other sinners aren't going to OD.

3. after a man has the proper authority, he must then turn his back on what he knows is the truth and directly spit in God's face.

Seems to me like writing a revelation, passing it off as coming from God, and then using it to circumvent God's most sacred vows might qualify a man for OD.

Not gonna be many men in OD, but those that are there aren't going to be murderers, adulterers, or lesser sinners. Those that are there are the ones who knew God's methods, and thought they could sneak something by God when he wasn't looking. Problem is... he's always looking.

OD's a mighty lonely place.

CFR on 1, 2, and the suppositions of 3.

Popular use: permanent abode of sons of perdition
Second, in modern Latter-day Saint vernacular, outer darkness usually refers to an eternal state of punishment.[3] Very few people who have lived on the earth will be consigned to this state, but Latter-day Saint scripture suggests that at least Cain will be present.[4] Other mortals who during their lifetime become sons of perdition—those who commit the unpardonable sin—will be consigned to outer darkness.[3] It is taught that the unpardonable sin is committed by those who "den[y] the Son after the Father has revealed him".[5] However, the vast majority of residents of outer darkness will be the "devil and his angels ... the third part of the hosts of heaven" who in the pre-existence followed Lucifer and never received a mortal body.[6] The residents of outer darkness are the only children of God that will not receive one of three kingdoms of glory at the Last Judgment. Sons of perdition will remain in outer darkness and suffer for eternity with Satan. This state shares some similarities with certain Christian views of hell.

This second and more common meaning of outer darkness derives from the teachings of Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. Smith taught that those who commit the unpardonable sin are "doomed to Gnolaum—to dwell in hell, worlds without end."[7] The word gnolaum is used elsewhere by Smith to mean "eternal".[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness

The unpardonable sin {who "den[y] the Son after the Father has revealed him".[5] } can only be commited by those who hold the keys, because no one else has had the Son revealed to them by the Father.

Sorry, Nehor. You aren't eligible. You don't hold the keys.

[_Phouchg]

well, that's a relief...several people in my wife's ward are convinced I am headed for OD because I withdrew my LDS membership and joined the Episcopal Church.

At least our apostolic authority can be traced to Jesus. Three dudes coming out of the sky and landing in Northern Pennsylvania is not what I can call an authoritative source, but I digress...


fook

[_Paracelsus]

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" has been a major theological question since the Middle Ages.
According to Thomas Aquinas, it is impossible for two distinct causes to each be the immediate cause of one and the same thing. An angel is a good example of such a cause. Thus two angels cannot occupy the same space. This can be seen as an early statement of the Pauli exclusion principle. (The Pauli exclusion principle is a pillar of modern physics. It was first stated in the twentieth century, by Pauli.)

We derive upper bounds for the density of angels dancing on the point of a pin. It is dependent on the assumed mass of the angels, with a maximum number of 8.6766*10exp49 angels at the critical angel mass (3.8807*10exp-34 kg).

http://www.headofapin.net

[_The Nehor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness

The unpardonable sin {who "den[y] the Son after the Father has revealed him".[5] } can only be commited by those who hold the keys, because no one else has had the Son revealed to them by the Father.

Sorry, Nehor. You aren't eligible. You don't hold the keys.

I've never heard it stated that one must hold the keys to have the Son visit them or have him reveal the Father to you. Contradicts the teachings of Joseph who said the same revelations he got were available to anyone who prepared themselves. Gonna have to continue to disagree with you here.

[_Ray A]

OD's a mighty lonely place.

Why waste a thread on a fictitious piece of a heightened religious imagination?

[_The Nehor]

OD's a mighty lonely place.

Why waste a thread on a fictitious piece of a heightened religious imagination?

Why create a profile on a board about fictitious dogma coming from a heightened religious imagination?

[_Ray A]

Why create a profile on a board about fictitious dogma coming from a heightened religious imagination?

To straighten out the dupes, like you.

[_harmony]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness

The unpardonable sin {who "den[y] the Son after the Father has revealed him".[5] } can only be commited by those who hold the keys, because no one else has had the Son revealed to them by the Father.

Sorry, Nehor. You aren't eligible. You don't hold the keys.

I've never heard it stated that one must hold the keys to have the Son visit them or have him reveal the Father to you. Contradicts the teachings of Joseph who said the same revelations he got were available to anyone who prepared themselves. Gonna have to continue to disagree with you here.

You're stretching, Nehor. The church is a church of order. God doesn't reveal himself to the rank and file, and not reveal himself to the leadership.

You can disagree all you want; that doesn't change what is described. In order to be eligible for OD/hell, one must first know all truth, and then deny it. No one but those set apart with the appropriate keys knows all truth. Therefore, you're safe. I'm safe because only men are eligible. It's good to know that after being consigned to hell by Will, I am ineligible to go there. Poor Will. Wrong again.