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Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:22 am
by _RockSlider
Apparently the "Temple Ready" program that I used extensively 10 years ago has gotten a lot smarter.

My wife went to the temple today to "re-do" her brothers work. I said huh, I thought you did his work a year after his death? "We did, but they later sent a letter to my mother saying the endowment did not take because her brother had been excommunicated. The mother had to somehow obtain special permission to redo it?

How long has this policy been in effect?

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:25 am
by _Gazelam
I'm not trying to be snarky or callous here. I'm just trying to answer the question....

What good does it do to do someones work after they have died if they already had the opportunity while in this life? Work for the dead is not a second chance.

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:33 am
by _RockSlider
Gazelam wrote:I'm not trying to be snarky or callous here. I'm just trying to answer the question....

What good does it do to do someones work after they have died if they already had the opportunity while in this life? Work for the dead is not a second chance.


Gazelam! I'm disappointed in your answer!

The "Period of this life" is the time to repent (from birth to resurrection), I've heard it said that the "spirit prison" is divided into to sections ... Paradise and Hell, and when Christ died and went to Paradise, he bridged the gap (i.e. authorized the teaching of those in hell). Like the two thieves that died with him.

edit:

but the question is, when did this start? I did a LOT of temple ready (maybe I'll tell my jewish work in the provo temple story) and the rule used to be one year (i.e. time for them to be taught) ... no other checking was ever done.

but now question two: Who determines then if/when it can be done? What do they base this on?

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:38 am
by _Inconceivable
Gazelam wrote:What good does it do to do someones work after they have died if they already had the opportunity while in this life? Work for the dead is not a second chance.


If I was a GA, that is the same question I would have asked the descendents of John D. Lee.

But they must not have. He had all of his temple priviledges restored.

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:20 pm
by _RockSlider
he was also "born in the covenant"

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:11 pm
by _Some Schmo
Gazelam wrote: What good does it do to do someones work after they have died if they already had the opportunity while in this life? Work for the dead is not a second chance.

Wow... god is such a petty, unforgiving hardass, isn't he?

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:39 pm
by _Morrissey
Some Schmo wrote:
Gazelam wrote: What good does it do to do someones work after they have died if they already had the opportunity while in this life? Work for the dead is not a second chance.

Wow... god is such a petty, unforgiving hardass, isn't he?


God will cast you into eternal suffering if you don't do precisely what he wants.

Oh, but he really, really loves you. :rolleyes:

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:55 pm
by _Some Schmo
Morrissey wrote: God will cast you into eternal suffering if you don't do precisely what he wants.

Oh, but he really, really loves you. :rolleyes:

That's one of the best George Carlin bits ever.

God really is quite the contradiction, isn't he? He's all powerful and all knowing, but he's just insecure enough to demand your love and worship. He a loving god, but he never actually talks to you in a way that's distinguishable from happy feelings. He expects you to obey, but never mentions what he wants. He has his servants do it, but none of them seem to agree on the instructions.

What's really funny is that we highly criticize absent fathers, and yet, this guy is never around. With a parent like that, people are better off being orphans.

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:43 pm
by _Inconceivable
Some Schmo wrote:
Morrissey wrote: God will cast you into eternal suffering if you don't do precisely what he wants.

Oh, but he really, really loves you. :rolleyes:

That's one of the best George Carlin bits ever.

God really is quite the contradiction, isn't he? He's all powerful and all knowing, but he's just insecure enough to demand your love and worship. He a loving god, but he never actually talks to you in a way that's distinguishable from happy feelings. He expects you to obey, but never mentions what he wants. He has his servants do it, but none of them seem to agree on the instructions.

What's really funny is that we highly criticize absent fathers, and yet, this guy is never around. With a parent like that, people are better off being orphans.


Dead on.

He's a horrible excuse for a father. He's got all of the worst traits of a deadbeat parent that would send his kids to Westridge Academy.

Re: Excommunication spans the veil of death

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:48 pm
by _DarkHelmet
Since he was excommunicated by a panel of men in business suits who are personal representatives of Jesus Christ, I think it is safe to assume that Christ will judge him the same way and cast him into one of the lesser kingdoms. Therefore, it is a waste of everyone's time to do his temple work.