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For those of you who are TBMs or apologists, to what extent do the dictates of the Brethren shape your tastes?

Unquestionably, the Brethren have stonewalled the development of the LDS palate. It's impossible to sit down for dinner at a reputable restaurant after a cultural event and appropriately order a rack of lamb matched with a modestly-priced Bordeaux. Instead, the ruse of the entire evening is unraveled by that 24 ounce plastic cup filled with Dr. Pepper fizzing away at plate's edge. And if it's argued exceptions can be made here, then it would be difficult to put fine dining for the food portion of the meal only above just grabbing a happy meal at McDonalds, or even esteeming the evening's events above watching a summer movie and wolfing down a fist full of cheese fries after.

Anyway, that's an example fitting for any LDS poster here who obeys the Word of Wisdom. A dictate of the Brethren has influenced taste and consumption for all of you, so there is no denying this happens.

Admitting reality then, what other types of rules coming down from Church leaders have influenced/limited your cultural experiences or stifled the development of your tastes?

Gadianton wrote:For those of you who are TBMs or apologists, to what extent do the dictates of the Brethren shape your tastes?

Unquestionably, the Brethren have stonewalled the development of the LDS palate. It's impossible to sit down for dinner at a reputable restaraunt after a cultural event and appropriately order a rack of lamb matched with a modestly-priced Bordeaux. Instead, the ruse of the entire evening is unraveled by that 24 ounce plastic cup filled with Dr. Pepper fizzing away at plate's edge. And if it's argued exceptions can be made here, then it would be difficult to put fine dining for the food portion of the meal only above just grabbing a happy meal at McDonalds, or even esteeming the evening's events above watching a summer movie and wolfing down a fist full of cheese fries after.

Anyway, that's an example fitting for any LDS poster here who obeys the Word of Wisdom. A dictate of the Brethren has influenced taste and consumption for all of you, so there is no denying this happens.

Admitting reality then, what other types of rules coming down from Church leaders have influenced/limited your cultural experiences or stifled the development of your tastes?

If your cultural experiences are actually handicapped by an inability to drink alcohol then you don't really have cultural experiences. You've just had cultural drinks and erroneously conflate culture with drinks.

I've had homemade Pinot Noir in Austria, drank Helles by the liter at a Bavarian summer solstice bonfire, chugged Cerveca Sol en Mexico, and sipped Absinthe in Bratislava. I've eaten the best beef on the planet in Argentina, I've slaughtered my own lamb in Uruguay, and I've had chicken hearts in Brazil, and yet none of that means I'm cultured. What makes me cultured is learning the language and the history and getting to know the people and what makes them identify with their cultural heritage. It's knowing that a bizcocho in Montevideo is the same thing as a factura in Buenos Aires, and what you eat on the 28th of each month and why. It's appreciating Switzerdeutsch even when you're in Hamburg, and knowing why the high schools in Vienna don't mind hanging pornography on the walls even though they're required to go to religion classes. It's knowing why my family crest has the motto "Think on," and how my ancestors came to hold the titles they did. It's being able to sleep with the drums banging in the streets at midnight in Brazil and laughing at the fact that only Portenos drink mate with hielo. It's understanding why Germans don't like to sing their national anthem and which Italian museums have hundreds of medieval Jewish tomb inscriptions collecting dust in their basements. It's knowing why you have to look at Klimt's "Der Kuss" at the right angle to see it, and what time you have to catch the bus to get home so you don't get stuck in Jerusalem over the weekend. That's what being cultured is, not being able to sip red wine. And by the way, I heard wine rookies all the time ask for "a good Bordeaux" while I was a wine host in Dallas, but you have to be much more specific than that. "Bordeaux" is a regional designation, not a specific type of wine.

I'm willing to bet you wouldn't know culture if you tripped over it. You didn't seem willing or able to respond to my assessment of your little "Mormon Art" thread, and you've done nothing here to indicate your culture comes from anything other than the internet. Lastly, don't yap at me about culture when you can't even spell the word "restaurant" correctly in your native tongue.

I get my cultural experiences from yogurt.

They have tried to help me develop a taste for green jello with shredded carrots in it. They have failed.

Seconding that I think it's weird that you equate alcohol consumption with being cultured. If dulling one's senses makes you cultured then this board is one of the greatest avenues to becoming a cultured individual available.

maklelan wrote:

Gadianton wrote:For those of you who are TBMs or apologists, to what extent do the dictates of the Brethren shape your tastes?

Unquestionably, the Brethren have stonewalled the development of the LDS palate. It's impossible to sit down for dinner at a reputable restaraunt after a cultural event and appropriately order a rack of lamb matched with a modestly-priced Bordeaux. Instead, the ruse of the entire evening is unraveled by that 24 ounce plastic cup filled with Dr. Pepper fizzing away at plate's edge. And if it's argued exceptions can be made here, then it would be difficult to put fine dining for the food portion of the meal only above just grabbing a happy meal at McDonalds, or even esteeming the evening's events above watching a summer movie and wolfing down a fist full of cheese fries after.

Anyway, that's an example fitting for any LDS poster here who obeys the Word of Wisdom. A dictate of the Brethren has influenced taste and consumption for all of you, so there is no denying this happens.

Admitting reality then, what other types of rules coming down from Church leaders have influenced/limited your cultural experiences or stifled the development of your tastes?

If your cultural experiences are actually handicapped by an inability to drink alcohol then you don't really have cultural experiences. You've just had cultural drinks and erroneously conflate culture with drinks.

I've had homemade Pinot Noir in Austria, drank Helles by the liter at a Bavarian summer solstice bonfire, chugged Cerveca Sol en Mexico, and sipped Absinthe in Bratislava. I've eaten the best beef on the planet in Argentina, I've slaughtered my own lamb in Uruguay, and I've had chicken hearts in Brazil, and yet none of that means I'm cultured. What makes me cultured is learning the language and the history and getting to know the people and what makes them identify with their cultural heritage. It's knowing that a bizcocho in Montevideo is the same thing as a factura in Buenos Aires, and what you eat on the 28th of each month and why. It's appreciating Switzerdeutsch even when you're in Hamburg, and knowing why the high schools in Vienna don't mind hanging pornography on the walls even though they're required to go to religion classes. It's knowing why my family crest has the motto "Think on," and how my ancestors came to hold the titles they did. It's being able to sleep with the drums banging in the streets at midnight in Brazil and laughing at the fact that only Portenos drink mate with hielo. It's understanding why Germans don't like to sing their national anthem and which Italian museums have hundreds of medieval Jewish tomb inscriptions collecting dust in their basements. It's knowing why you have to look at Klimt's "Der Kuss" at the right angle to see it, and what time you have to catch the bus to get home so you don't get stuck in Jerusalem over the weekend. That's what being cultured is, not being able to sip red wine. And by the way, I heard wine rookies all the time ask for "a good Bordeaux" while I was a wine host in Dallas, but you have to be much more specific than that. "Bordeaux" is a regional designation, not a specific type of wine.

I'm willing to bet you wouldn't know culture if you tripped over it. You didn't seem willing or able to respond to my assessment of your little "Mormon Art" thread, and you've done nothing here to indicate your culture comes from anything other than the internet. Lastly, don't yap at me about culture when you can't even spell the word "restaurant" correctly in your native tongue.

Dude,
I'm really impressed blazing list of your feats, even if you accomplished all this stuff.
It leads me think you are talking about a bunch of crock.
You accuse Gadianton; Lastly, don't yap at me about culture when you can't even spell the word "restaurant" correctly in your native tongue.
What an arrogant statement; take a look at the sentence you wrote;
It's appreciating Switzerdeutsch even when you're in Hamburg
The only Switzer I know is the Barry Switzer of former Oklahoma Football Coach. The Swiss would would laugh their ass off if you call their language Switzerdeutsch.
And what was that again? you witnessed and appreciated Switzerdeutsch in Hamburg? Are you sure it wasn't on the Moon?
PS:
Don't try to BS the bullshitter.
It is Schwiizerdütsch. Next time tone down your accusation of spelling or whatever.
Being cocksure is a good thing, just make sure, do your homework.

Hello,

Oh, my. Forgive my snippishness, but perhaps we now know the reason why the former forger was caught forging? I am sure spinning yarns and telling tall tales are part and parcel within Mormon culture; from Joseph Smith to Dallin Oaks, and now with Mr. Maklelan and Dr. Peterson we have endless boasting. However, with the last two, only one is calmly and lucidly conveying the truth about his experiences.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Makelan definitely got the narcissist of the day award yesterday.

The success of pedestrian restaurant chains in Utah like Chuck-A-Rama and Training Table speaks volumes about the sophistication (or lack thereof) of the Mormon palate.

It's bascially quantity, not quality that is most esteemed in food. Ever see all the fatties waddling into sacrament meeting? And I am saying this as a fat person.



fook

1.

Are chains like Training Table and Chuck-a-Rama limited to Utah? Peculiarly characteristic of Utah? Is the population of Utah unusually obese?

http://calorielab.com/news/2008/07/02/f ... ates-2008/

2.

One of the features common to Scratches, it seems, is a desperate, pathetic craving to think themselves more sophisticated, more "edgy," more "with it," than at least somebody, even if their only audience is the tiny one on this message board. We must be approaching half a dozen Scratch-launched threads on this topic, in which one Scratch or another boasts of his great urbanity and preens himself, without any clear basis or real evidence, on his superior taste in art, literature, food, drama, cinema, and/or music.

3.

solomarineris wrote:It is Schwiizerdütsch.

There is no set or official way of spelllng words in Swiss German. Nor, for that matter, is there a single thing called "Swiss German." There is the dialect of Bern, and the dialect of Basel, and the dialect of Zürich, and the dialect of the Urkantone, and of Valais (or Wallis), and of the area around St. Gallen, and of southeastern Switzerland (where Romantsch is still spoken), and so forth, and each of these has innumerable sub-dialects that native speakers can distinguish. When the Swiss write in "Swiss German," which they do comparatively rarely, they spell phonetically. So, for example, you'll see Schweizerdeutsch, Schwyzerdütsch, Schwiizertüütsch, Schwizertitsch, and etc.

solomarineris wrote:I'm really impressed blazing list of your feats, even if you accomplished all this stuff.
It leads me think you are talking about a bunch of crock.

You would be wrong, then.

solomarineris wrote:You accuse Gadianton; Lastly, don't yap at me about culture when you can't even spell the word "restaurant" correctly in your native tongue.
What an arrogant statement; take a look at the sentence you wrote;
It's appreciating Switzerdeutsch even when you're in Hamburg
The only Switzer I know is the Barry Switzer of former Oklahoma Football Coach. The Swiss would would laugh their ass off if you call their language Switzerdeutsch.

Oh, I see. I must be making it up, then.

solomarineris wrote:And what was that again? you witnessed and appreciated Switzerdeutsch in Hamburg? Are you sure it wasn't on the Moon?

Oh, that's much too clever for me.

solomarineris wrote:PS:
Don't try to b***s*** the bullshitter.
It is Schwiizerdütsch. Next time tone down your accusation of spelling or whatever.
Being cocksure is a good thing, just make sure, do your homework.

Switzerdeutsch is a perfectly legitimate spelling. So are Schweizerdeutsch, Schwyzerdütsch, Schwiizerdütsch, Schwizertitsch, and Schwyzertütsch. You shouldn't let Google do your arguing for you if you don't know what you're talking about.