How Did Cain get To Africa?

[_Ray A]

How did Cain get to Africa.

Confidential Imbecile, realising the stoopidity:

C'mon. Surely you've seen Highlander. Don't you remember the scene on the Scottish loch where Sean Connery's character is trying to teach the Highlander that he can't die? He rocks the boat and the Highlander sinks straight to the bottom where, after his initial panic, he finds he is okay and then proceeds to walk out of the loch.

Same deal here. Cain just walked across the ocean floor.

C.I.

P.S. Ask a silly question.....

ERay:

Maybe plane, train or boat. Could be all three.

Her Amunition:

Who said he made it to Africa?

Lightbonker:

Ever hear of Egyptus and Ham? (Noah and the Ark?)

Mola Ram Suda Rubbish:

This and the fact (at least accourding to scripture) that the earth was not devided until the days of Paleg some time after Cain.

Robspeller:

I believe Cain was somewhere here and Ham and his folk ended up there. The thing is...Does this prove the GLOBAL FLOOD THEORY true? Can you believe in a reginal flood and believe the GoE was in America?

"Reginal". "Rypical" Mormon spelling.

Will Schryver:

I just love it when people like Scottie throw out stuff like this and then apparently expect to be taken seriously.

Oh, well ... such is the life of a critic of Mormonism.

I should mention that there is a very old cathedral in Italy (I don't recall what town it's in anymore, but I have a post card somewhere in my mission box. If I recall correctly, it dates to around 400 A.D.) that has various episodes from the Bible artistically portrayed on its ceilings and walls. One portion shows the ark, with 8 people in it. Behind the ark, apparently swimming, is a representation of a black man.

The man who supports the Book of Abraham. "Thwim, blackfella, Thwim!!"

Cold Steroid:

That the Negro was of the seed of Cain was a popular doctrine of the time, and it's possible that Brigham Young was merely parroting that idea (as it has no basis in restoration scripture); however, if the notion is correct, then recall that Cain's seed continued on through Ham. That means that when the great flood happened, they all disembarked from the same location in what's now Turkey. In short, they probably walked. (It's like asking how the Chinese got to China....)

At one point the Earth was divided. According to church lore, too, some of the early brethren saw Cain and, according to their descriptions, he was dark and hairy, not black like the Negro. So it's all conjecture at best. It's likely that if there was a curse that continued, it continued through Ham.

Cain walked to Africa, and the Chinese walked to China, after the Great Flood.

Does it get any better?

Yep.

Obiwanker:

Further, even if we ignore all the other facts of the issue, the continents were supposedly once together, so they could have walked like anyone else. Or if not taken boats like anyone else.

In the end, non-issue. Someone didn't think this question through enough hee hee.

Non issue. Hee Hee. Hee Hee.

Gilligan's Island:

It could be that Cain, if he was in Africa, just walked from Missouri?

I think it should be noted that the earth was still one continent at the time Adam and Eve were expelled, after that, etc...


Wasn't it not until Noah that the continents were divided?

So why would he have to build a boat if he can just walk?

Cain, cursed, decided to take a walk to Africa, where he could start the human race.

Rob Osrebit, rebit, rebit:

All mankind can trace their lineage back to Adam and Eve. That much is fact. The Negro race came from Adam and Eve's posterity.

The "negro" "race"?

What a bunch of idiots.

This is what literalism does to people. Totally "F"s their brains!

Now wait, we haven't heard from "the FARMS apologists" yet. They have "more reasonable" explanations.

What a bunch of twaddle, any way you put it.

I'm sure Scottie started this thread partly tongue-in-cheek, but I doubt he expected such serious replies.

[_bcspace]

This is what literalism does to people. Totally "F"s their brains!

1. How do you know if something here should be taken literally or not?

2. Now I'll be the first to admit that LDS doctrine is that the garden was on this continent. However, can you discern from the verses used as proof texts for this any implication that this is so? I can't. Consider....

Latter-day revelation confirms the biblical account of the Garden of Eden. It adds the important information that the garden was located on what is now the North American continent (D&C 116; 117: 8).

I don't see anything in those verses that puts the Garden in North America or anywhere else.

Now having said that, what if the Garden were actually in North America? How long did Cain live? Is that not plenty of time to travel? Who said Cain himself had to be in Africa? Why not his descendents?

Have you considered Moses 7:8? Wasn't Enoch born 6-700 years after the typical Christian date of the fall?

[_Ray A]

Now having said that, what if the Garden were actually in North America? How long did Cain live? Is that not plenty of time to travel? Who said Cain himself had to be in Africa? Why not his descendents?

Have you considered Moses 7:8? Wasn't Enoch born 6-700 years after the typical Christian date of the fall?

The "Garden", BC, is totally in your religious imagination.

Here's my recommendation to you:

The Greatest Show on Earth.

I've read Dawkins Climbing Mount Improbable, where he decimates any form of creationism. And, for the record, so does the religiously sympathetic Gould.

BC, you're an archaeological and scientific bumpkin. A total nerd, because your religious beliefs totally control you and prevent you from seeing the truth backed by evidence. You're a spinmeister for the unspinnable, a backyard religious quack.

The real sad part about all this is that you're going to raise your children on this utter bunkum.

I pity them.

[_Paracelsus]

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The real sad part about all this is that you're going to raise your children on this utter bunkum.

I pity them.

The real sad part about all this is that there are milliards (oops! billions) of people who raise their children that way.

In a really working world (is there somewhere out such one?) the knowledge of the people would increase by getting the time on. In our defective one it is the stupidity which is growing.

[_Sethbag]

Ray A seems to be melting down. I agree with the dumbness of Garden of Eden/Cain/Seed of Ham/Noah's Ark stuff, but damn, Ray.

[_karl61]

Some people believe that anger is a part of the grieving process. You grieve when you lose something/someone special. There are also special subjects to each one on this board that creates big emotions. You found one of Rays whether it is biology, astronomy etc. or ignorance or both.

[_zzyzx]

Amtrack?

Makes as much sense as a year long trip across the oceans in submarines.

[_Scottie]

I'm sure Scottie started this thread partly tongue-in-cheek, but I doubt he expected such serious replies.

You're right. It was tongue in cheek.

And you are also right. I was mildly surprised at some of the responses, although I wouldn't go quite as far as you in calling them idiots. I think many of them were giving thoughtful answers.

[_Inconceivable]

So I got a couple questions:

Modern revelation states the flood was a baptism of the earth

If it were a Catholic/apologist baptism, we would expect some annoying sprinkles.

If Mormon, everything needed to go under - everything.

Wouldn't the ark and all those in it be considered that little toe that requires a re-do?

I've baptised several converts more than once because they kept floating appendages.

What gives?

[_Mercury]

Practice Practice Practice?

Oh, that's Carnegie Hall...

(ducks as someone throws something at me)