Question concerning Joseph Smith and the Bible.

[_Nightlion]

So, Nightlion, what can we use to discredit a prophet?

Apparently, from everything I've learned in Mormon Apologetics, we have precedence in the Bible for everything that a normal person would use to call someone a fraud.

Failed prophecies - check
Low morals - check
Questionable activities - check
Using his followers for personal gain - check
Obtaining a harem of females - check
Lying about his activities - check
Fleeing the area when things get to hot - check

-Although Joseph Smith didn't do these items, we could include:
Sacrificing animals and/or people - check
Slaughtering whole cities - check
Rape - check
Incest - check

According to Apologists, LDS Prophets are nothing more than EXTREMELY flawed men and we should expect nothing more from then than a high school guidance counselor. What test would you give a non-LDS prophet to determine if he were really a prophet?

Could you tell me why Warren Jeffs is not a prophet?

I missed all this too. Well. The only rational test that proves a man is a prophet [other than a formal prophesy that says the Lord says this will happen and then it does happen] is his ability to make someone else a prophet. Does that make sense? It is like scientific to be able to repeat the process so to speak.

If after Moses did all the great prophet stuff he did, who would ever know, or care, if there were no succeeding prophets? Christ left prophet/apostles that verified him. A prophets status cannot be proven until he does make another prophet. See? Then that next prophet knows that he became a prophet by way of the first, and so on and so on.

If I were to start cranking out prophet after prophet in my humble little School of the Prophets, I would become a greater and greater prophet after each one occurs. If I never help to make another prophet, who will ever care that I said or did anything prophet worthy?

Every man can be smeared to come off unworthy in the eyes of the people. Christ was no exception.

[_MMAFighter7]

I missed all this too. Well. The only rational test that proves a man is a prophet [other than a formal prophesy that says the Lord says this will happen and then it does happen] is his ability to make someone else a prophet. Does that make sense? It is like scientific to be able to repeat the process so to speak.

If after Moses did all the great prophet stuff he did, who would ever know, or care, if there were no succeeding prophets? Christ left prophet/apostles that verified him. A prophets status cannot be proven until he does make another prophet. See? Then that next prophet knows that he became a prophet by way of the first, and so on and so on.

If I were to start cranking out prophet after prophet in my humble little School of the Prophets, I would become a greater and greater prophet after each one occurs. If I never help to make another prophet, who will ever care that I said or did anything prophet worthy?

Every man can be smeared to come off unworthy in the eyes of the people. Christ was no exception.

Sure, some people will always hate those who claim to be prophets. The fact still remains, the doctrine that comes from Moses, Jesus, the words that John the Baptist, Isaiah, Daniel, Paul, and others spoke differed from Joseph Smith's BECAUSE it was not spoken nor writen to cover up or excuse their SIN.

[_Scottie]

I missed all this too. Well. The only rational test that proves a man is a prophet [other than a formal prophesy that says the Lord says this will happen and then it does happen] is his ability to make someone else a prophet. Does that make sense? It is like scientific to be able to repeat the process so to speak.

So what if the first prophet is a false prophet? How could you tell that the first prophet isn't just claiming to be able to make someone else a prophet?

If after Moses did all the great prophet stuff he did, who would ever know, or care, if there were no succeeding prophets? Christ left prophet/apostles that verified him. A prophets status cannot be proven until he does make another prophet. See? Then that next prophet knows that he became a prophet by way of the first, and so on and so on.

But Joseph Smith didn't do anything great like Moses. Not only that, but Joseph Smith didn't even select BY as the next prophet. BY took it by force.

Besides, grand miracles aside, how would we know that the first prophet was really a prophet to select the next prophet?

If I were to start cranking out prophet after prophet in my humble little School of the Prophets, I would become a greater and greater prophet after each one occurs. If I never help to make another prophet, who will ever care that I said or did anything prophet worthy?

Great for your little school, but LDS prophets have become less and less prophetic with each succession.

Every man can be smeared to come off unworthy in the eyes of the people. Christ was no exception.

It's good to know that you hold Jim Jones, David Koresh, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, L Ron Hubbard and Warren Jeffs in such high regard! After all, I'm sure that the horrible things we heard about them are just lies and and 1/2 truths to make them look unworthy in our eyes, right?