Is there a worse argument??
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_Scottie
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Is there a worse argument??
The other day I was listening to one of the local DJ's explaining why he believes in God.
"Just look outside at the beauty of nature. Just look into the eyes of a child, or listen to the laughter of a child and tell me there is no God."
Boy, how could ANYBODY not believe in God with proof like that??
I hear this argument all the time. How do people actually think these ideas somehow prove the existence of the Biblical God?
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"Just look outside at the beauty of nature. Just look into the eyes of a child, or listen to the laughter of a child and tell me there is no God."
Boy, how could ANYBODY not believe in God with proof like that??
I hear this argument all the time. How do people actually think these ideas somehow prove the existence of the Biblical God?
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_TAK
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
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God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Scottie wrote:The other day I was listening to one of the local DJ's explaining why he believes in God.
"Just look outside at the beauty of nature. Just look into the eyes of a child, or listen to the laughter of a child and tell me there is no God."
Boy, how could ANYBODY not believe in God with proof like that??
I hear this argument all the time. How do people actually think these ideas somehow prove the existence of the Biblical God?
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Look deeper. Being grateful makes you love the source.
Argue about the source if you like. But why not be grateful?
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_Mary
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
I don't know. Is there a better argument? My son and I were discussing this today...
Somehow nature has come up with such beauty, such diversity, such complexity....
With all our intelligence, we can't recreate what nature has done all on its own (yet..).
We can't even work out how our own brain works. Let alone trying to create another....
What started life in the first place, and what gave it the imperative to survive and evolve into astounding complexity.
Maybe I'm asking the wrong questions?..
Somehow nature has come up with such beauty, such diversity, such complexity....
With all our intelligence, we can't recreate what nature has done all on its own (yet..).
We can't even work out how our own brain works. Let alone trying to create another....
What started life in the first place, and what gave it the imperative to survive and evolve into astounding complexity.
Maybe I'm asking the wrong questions?..
"It's a little like the Confederate Constitution guaranteeing the freedom to own slaves. Irony doesn't exist for bigots or fanatics." Maksutov
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Nightlion wrote:Scottie wrote:The other day I was listening to one of the local DJ's explaining why he believes in God.
"Just look outside at the beauty of nature. Just look into the eyes of a child, or listen to the laughter of a child and tell me there is no God."
Boy, how could ANYBODY not believe in God with proof like that??
I hear this argument all the time. How do people actually think these ideas somehow prove the existence of the Biblical God?
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Look deeper. Being grateful makes you love the source.
Argue about the source if you like. But why not be grateful?
If you cannot be with the one you love, love the one you're with. Yea verily, love the one you're with.
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_Roger
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Scottie:
The fact that there is something supports the notion that there is a God. The fact that the something that does exist contains highly complex elements/components and seemingly free agent biological life forms--some of whom have enough intelligence to recognize and question their own existence--really supports the notion that there is a God.
If there were nothing, or if what there was was in a static state, then that would certainly be a point in favor of atheism. But then, of course, we wouldn't be around to take notice.
The other day I was listening to one of the local DJ's explaining why he believes in God.
"Just look outside at the beauty of nature. Just look into the eyes of a child, or listen to the laughter of a child and tell me there is no God."
Boy, how could ANYBODY not believe in God with proof like that??
I hear this argument all the time. How do people actually think these ideas somehow prove the existence of the Biblical God?
The fact that there is something supports the notion that there is a God. The fact that the something that does exist contains highly complex elements/components and seemingly free agent biological life forms--some of whom have enough intelligence to recognize and question their own existence--really supports the notion that there is a God.
If there were nothing, or if what there was was in a static state, then that would certainly be a point in favor of atheism. But then, of course, we wouldn't be around to take notice.
"...a pious lie, you know, has a great deal more influence with an ignorant people than a profane one."
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
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_Scottie
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Roger wrote:The fact that there is something supports the notion that there is a God. The fact that the something that does exist contains highly complex elements/components and seemingly free agent biological life forms--some of whom have enough intelligence to recognize and question their own existence--really supports the notion that there is a God.
If there were nothing, or if what there was was in a static state, then that would certainly be a point in favor of atheism. But then, of course, we wouldn't be around to take notice.
I'm not necessarily discounting the idea of intelligent design. But that goes MUCH deeper than "look into a childs eyes", which is a worthless appeal to emotion.
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
7. ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
"You clearly haven't read [Dawkins'] book." -Kevin Graham, 11/04/09
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_Roger
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Scottie:
Perhaps. But emotional appeals aren't necessarily "worthless" by nature. Incomplete, perhaps, unreliable at times, perhaps, but not entirely devoid of value. For the believer in God such things as looking into a child's eyes are viewed within the framework that there is a God and that act therefore offers additional support.
What, I might ask, does looking into a child's eyes do for the atheist?
I'm not necessarily discounting the idea of intelligent design. But that goes MUCH deeper than "look into a childs eyes", which is a worthless appeal to emotion.
Perhaps. But emotional appeals aren't necessarily "worthless" by nature. Incomplete, perhaps, unreliable at times, perhaps, but not entirely devoid of value. For the believer in God such things as looking into a child's eyes are viewed within the framework that there is a God and that act therefore offers additional support.
What, I might ask, does looking into a child's eyes do for the atheist?
"...a pious lie, you know, has a great deal more influence with an ignorant people than a profane one."
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
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Re: Is there a worse argument??
Whatever you do, don't let Pahoran answer that question.
"You clearly haven't read [Dawkins'] book." -Kevin Graham, 11/04/09