Do Christians tacitly support Gay bashing?

[_Gazelam]

Ray,

I rest my case.

What was your case?

[_Ray A]

What was your case?

My case, Gaz, is that if you were not so heavily influenced by your "theology", you'd have very normal compassionate feelings for those you now consider "worthy of death", or "extraction" from the human race. Mormonism may well indeed benefit many people, but it has turned you into a vile extremist.

[_Ray A]

If my children decided to rebel against their upbringing to the point that they become sexually active outside of marriage they would not be welcome in my home until such a time as they were, at the very least, married for time.

If they wish to live their life like a dog on all fours sniffing ass, then they will be treated like an unwanted dog.

Now, square yourself in the face, and give yourself an uppercut to the jaw for this.

I don't see any reason I should go softly on you for vile opinions like this.

It's almost as if you think your son's dick has more meaning than his soul and spirit. Where his DICK goes is more important to you, than what's in his heart.

How distorted in values can one person get?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Hello Mr. Gaz,

It seems to me there are far more people worthy of your deathwish than homosexuals. According to Romans the "culture" of intolerance you wish upon mankind is far more harsh toward "backbiters", "boasters", and "whisperers" than homosexuals. Do you also wish death upon these people, which, apparently, and thanks to Ms. Jersey Girl, is mandated by scripture?

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_Gadianton Plumber]

Gaz: What line would you not cross with the gays? Is there one? For example, if gays should be put to death, are they to be given a painless injection? Or can the Elders of the church bury them up to their head and stone them? Is it acceptable to drag a gay man with your car? Maybe you would prefer to beat him with a baseball bat?

No, I get it now. God burned them out in S and D. You must want to put them in ovens.

[_Paul Osborne]

The important thing to remember about our friend Gaz on this subject here is that he does not believe that a Person is born a homosexual. Gaz believes that People choose whether or not they want to be homosexuals

Well, I think it has pretty much been shown through a lot research that homosexual orientation is not a matter of choice, neither is hetrosexual orientation. The only choice involved is whether you act on it. People cannot choose their sexual orientation. You are what you are.

If any religion were to try and kill my mother because she is a lesbian, I would do everything I could to stop it. I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill their chidren or a parent because they live a gay lifestyle. Would Gaz toss his own mother in the river along with a gay son? Regardless of the laws of the land, doing so would get you excommunicated right away!

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

A refusal to bear children when one is able to is against the Plan of Salvation, correct.

Wrong.

No one has the right to tell a couple that they have to have children at any given time. Birth control is not against the plan of salvation. A couple may have children according to their desire and what they think is best for their family. The plan of salvation is about Jesus saving us from our sins, not how many children you have in your family.

Paul O

[_Jersey Girl]

Gaz,

You didn't address the totality of my posts and I'm not willing to spend the weekend coming back to this board/thread to go around in circles.

Do some research on:

Baal worship and fertility rites/rituals
Temple prostitution and sacred orgies
The Temple of Aphrodite in Corinth

Also...

The practice of "pederasty" in Greco-Roman culture as a method of social conditioning

The passage of Roman's that you referred to and that I posted in context, is about temple prostitution and sacred orgies as a form of worship.

Not a wholesale condemnation of homosexuals or homosexual conduct.

[_Jersey Girl]

I say I'm not going to continue and yet, here I am. Everybody out of the way and let me work!! :-) Let me say first, that those of you who condemn Gaz and resort to hyperbole instead of meeting him where he is in his thinking, are just simply inane.

Gaz:

In verses 26 to 28, homosexual acts of perversion and degeneracy are described. Then verses 29 to 31 say that those so debased are also filled with many heinous sins. And finally verse 32 records "that they which commit such things are worthy of death", apparently meaning that the law of the gospel prescribes the death penalty for homosexual perversions.

Gaz,

If the gospel described a death penalty for homosexual conduct as in the Romans 1 reference, half of Corinth and Rome would have been laid dead in the street. I'm just sayin'.
What you're reading is an eternal judgement/God's judgement/the "final" judgement on those who engaged in pagan worship, not permission for you to hate and condemn homosexuals in this life.

How do I know?

Well, it's largely because so many religious folks cherry pick out of scripture that which they feel best supports their position and ignore the rest. They use their concordances and other search tools to search out the words "fornication" and "adultery" (etc) to make their case instead of reading the Bible in context.

How do I know?

Because I see you doing it and I'm too old to tolerate it and I like you too much to let you get away from me without gaining a deeper understanding of scripture or to try to reason with you using the language of scripture.

Let's flip over to Romans TWO. This is Paul preaching to YOU, Gaz:

Rom 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.


Rom 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.


Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?


You should always read the Bible in context and never extract a small collection of verses. As soon as you pull verses out of context, you are almost guaranteed to misinterpret. You should read the Bible without the verse separations, Gaz. Romans is like one huge letter or collection of letters. Read it like you would a letter.

And read it as if it were written to YOU.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Everyone,

So, what we have here is one Christian woman taking another "Christian" man to task over his definition of Christian culture. This is very interesting in light that she, herself, is a Catholic? *which two are more viscious and anti-homosexual I have to wonder* I have to wonder what it will be like when stronger Patriarchal religions exert themselves in our national psyche, and how the female Christian will react to truly aggressive male and god-mandated oppression versus whatever it is she sense now within this peculiar cult?

From a sociological perspective I think they will be cowed into compliance. It is, after all, human nature. What a shame.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me