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The Saints were motivated to move out of Illinois. Mormon urban legend has it that the Saints were driven out. They really had no choice but to leave. My question is...if this is true....why didn't these mob members, and residents of Illinois who were hostile to the Mormons, have a problem with Emma Smith, the widow of Joseph, the founder of the Mormon Church, and the cause of all of this anger, remaining in Illinois? Not only that, but Lucy Smith, Joseph's mother, also remained behind. Why were they not driven out?

I'm just thinking out loud, but there may be two possible reasons. One is that the LDS left behind was not the group practicing polygamy,and the second is that when the core leadership left, those left behind no longer possessed the political and geographical power that were previously perceived as threatening. This seems to support the notion that the persecution was not caused by religious motivations per se, but rather was motivated by certain behaviors associated with that religious belief - mainly polygamy and exerting significant political power en bloc, and buying up lots of land.

Inconceivable wrote:

Nightlion wrote:..Talking with him it became obvious that there was no love in him. It was a revelation to me. ..he showed me how blank his heart was. He had absolutely no reason for losing faith. He simply had unplugged.

I think it is the calamity of our present culture that is causing people to simply unplug from love. Which also disconnects them from fidelity to truth. Interesting beyond measure is why they then turn and seek to devour, faith, hope, charity, love, truth.

No love unplug here, Night Lion. The concepts you mention above are yet virtuous principles that I consciously express each day. It's what brings peace and balance to my life.

Call me a liar or search for a more viable conclusion. I suspect it won't fit into your nearsighted paradigm though.

good luck.

Remember, you can still love someone and trememdously hate what they may do. Smith fits this description perfectly.

years ago I was talking to an atheist, one of the most vile sort, and he told me what love was:

"It's the tickle in your belly when you go over an unexpected rise in the road."

No kidding! Love is a carnival ride! I am not so sure I want to know what love is to you.

Dr. Shades wrote:

The Nehor wrote:Mobs don't break into a jail and kill someone over property damage.

No, but they did over the subversion of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Nightlion wrote:Interesting beyond measure is why they then turn and seek to devour, faith, hope, charity, love, truth.

No one seeks to devour faith, hope, charity, love, and truth. Most of us simply seek to devour falsehood, error, and deception.

Joseph did not die trying to save his friends? Your credibility is shot. Your heart is blank. What is going on in the world? I wont say.

If Joseph's intent was to try to save his friends, he would've walked toward the door, not the window.

Since he walked toward the window, he was abandoning his friends to their fate in a futile attempt to save his own skin.

GAAAAAAL MAAAAN! Joseph went to the window to give up his life so they would stop their assault. he was a prophet and knew that would do it. And it did. John Taylor all shot up and Willard Richards without a wound, as predicted, survived.

What would going to the door accomplish other than bring in more fire into the room? The worse possible choice to save you life was open exposure to the mob outside. Geeeeee. Been to any movies?
Your extreme jaundice is an open sore.

liz3564 wrote:

Inc wrote:However his death did liberate many from the threat of violence if only they had taken the route of his only legal wife Emma (and his children). They remained in Illinois and the "mob" left them alone.

Interesting point, Inc.

It is rather interesting that the mob didn't choose to go after Emma, or even Joseph's son, for that matter.

I should know my church history better than this, but can anyone tell me why it is that they didn't?

Why didn't the residents of Nauvoo drive Emma and the rest of Joseph Smith's family out? You would think that they would want his widow gone, just on principle.

If you want to know the real story it was the Druids who killed Joseph and Hyrum because it was time to move their take over of the Church to the next level. A Druid Most High Master was well embedded into the Church elite. It was wise to leave Emma alone.

They will not complete this take over until the Church actually does repudiate its founder. That's where most of the jokers here come in. Then there will be no possibility of the gospel ever finding the light of day. They can blissfully carry on harvesting their cash cow until the moon comes home. This they had already accomplished with the Catholic Church from antiquity.

They have become exceedingly efficient at it. Right Scratch? Ruling with blood an horror, stealing the treasures of the earth, to buy off popes and priests, scientists and professors, libelous slanderers and false accusers galore.

But the Lord has already prepared a way for Zion to escape and flourish upon the hills. Me! And a rising generation with faith.
Why you crying?

Dr. Shades wrote:

The Nehor wrote:Mobs don't break into a jail and kill someone over property damage.

No, but they did over the subversion of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Oh PLEASE!?!?!?! Joseph was in custody. He had said he would reimburse them if the courts ruled in their favor and they probably would have. When an anti-gun nut is put in jail for stealing firearms I'm not preventing the subversion of the Second Amendment and the U.S. constitution by breaking into the jail and shooting him.

Nightlion wrote:If you want to know the real story it was the Druids who killed Joseph and Hyrum because it was time to move their take over of the Church to the next level. A Druid Most High Master was well embedded into the Church elite. It was wise to leave Emma alone.

I wondered when the Druids would make their appearance in your argument. I was not disappointed. Cue wingnuttery...

Trevor wrote:

Nightlion wrote:If you want to know the real story it was the Druids who killed Joseph and Hyrum because it was time to move their take over of the Church to the next level. A Druid Most High Master was well embedded into the Church elite. It was wise to leave Emma alone.

I wondered when the Druids would make their appearance in your argument. I was not disappointed. Cue wingnuttery...

Ignoring all the lame attempts so far foisted upon us of translations of the sealed portion of the Gold Plates, the secret acts of men shall be revealed when at least one quorum of men have accomplished the purity of heart standard already found in the Book of Mormon. I mean like unto the Lord's disciples who were made pure. After the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. Did not want to leave that out just so its understood how to get from a to b. Any takers? Who's on the Lord's side? Posters? Nah. Lurkers? Hmm?

Nightlion wrote:Who's on the Lord's side? Posters? Nah. Lurkers? Hmm?

You? I doubt it.

Nightlion, my friend:

By any chance is your surname "Lafferty"?

One mighty and strong here amongst us now already?