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Jersey,
Your missing the root of the problem, dismayed by one of the symptoms. How did these children become unwanted orphans to begin with? They are products of a loss of virtue, a loss of chastity, and a wallowing in sexual deviancy that is very prevalent in many parts of Russia and the surrounding areas where organized crime rules the day and alcoholism and prostitution is rampant.

If we are to accept sexual deviancy as normal and healthy we open the doorway to the tolerance of a rainbow of social horrors, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. What seems impossible now will seem perfectly normal in the future, a future with a foundation based in the "loving acceptance" of a myriad of viewpoints. Could you have imagined twenty years ago that homosexuality would be as accepted as it is today?

We are in a state of moral decay, a slide into depravity that is horrific and frightening. What you see happening in Russia can very well happen here in the U.S. in a short time.

Gadianton Plumber wrote:CFR that gay parents are abusive to kids.

Well, there's the case of Frank M. Lombard, the former associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke University, a homosexual into "perv fam fun" who adopted a black infant with his partner and then proceeded to sexually abuse him and offer the opportunity for other homosexual pedophiles to sexually abuse his adopted 5-year-old son via the Internet. He admitted that it was a lot easier to sexually abuse his adopted son when he was too young to talk. Doped him up on Benadryl.

You may not be familiar with this story. Man, it completely disappeared from the mainstream media almost before it broke.

cks

Gazelam wrote:Jersey,
Your missing the root of the problem, dismayed by one of the symptoms. How did these children become unwanted orphans to begin with? They are products of a loss of virtue, a loss of chastity, and a wallowing in sexual deviancy that is very prevalent in many parts of Russia and the surrounding areas where organized crime rules the day and alcoholism and prostitution is rampant.

If we are to accept sexual deviancy as normal and healthy we open the doorway to the tolerance of a rainbow of social horrors, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. What seems impossible now will seem perfectly normal in the future, a future with a foundation based in the "loving acceptance" of a myriad of viewpoints. Could you have imagined twenty years ago that homosexuality would be as accepted as it is today?

We are in a state of moral decay, a slide into depravity that is horrific and frightening. What you see happening in Russia can very well happen here in the U.S. in a short time.

Even if what you say is true, Gaz....which I'm not sure it completely is....Do the children, the bi-product of this "wallowing in sexual deviancy", deserve to be in such horrid conditions? What did they do to deserve ANY of it? Nothing. They were simply born. Shame on them for being born? Is that where you're headed with this?

Don't we, as adults, have a responsibility to take care of these children who did no wrong besides coming into the world?

And, granted, maybe some of these children were the bi-product of sin, but they could also be victims of parents who died due to poverty or sickness.

You can't just turn you nose up to the condition simply because "the parents of the kids sinned".

cksalmon wrote:

Gadianton Plumber wrote:CFR that gay parents are abusive to kids.

Well, there's the case of Frank M. Lombard, the former associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke University, a homosexual into "perv fam fun" who adopted a black infant with his partner and then proceeded to sexually abuse him and offer the opportunity for other homosexual pedophiles to sexually abuse his adopted 5-year-old son via the Internet. He admitted that it was a lot easier to sexually abuse his adopted son when he was too young to talk. Doped him up on Benadryl.

You may not be familiar with this story. Man, it completely disappeared from the mainstream media almost before it broke.

cks

Case Article wrote:A conviction would carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

That conviction should carry a sentence of the death penalty.

Celestial Kingdom....

Oh Please.... children are abused by disturbed adults. Period. These adults don't abuse children because of their sexual orientation, they abuse children because they are despicable human beings! I'm sure you know that many, many, many more children are abused in heterosexual families than gay/lesbian families. (If you don't believe me just go check in with the stats in any County in the Country).

And please tell me how in the world it matters if a gay/lesbian couple is married or just living together. What in the freaking universe does it matter to anyone if they have a legal document or not?

Whether a couple has an official paper documenting a marriage or not is irrelevant to the love and care required by children in need.


ARRGGHHH!!!


Jersey Girl... I wrote a long reply to your post but lost it! :-( In sum, thanks! Yes, those are the children about whom I am talking! (In addition, we have about half a million children right here in the US who need a family. Most have been abused and/or neglected hence taken away from the parents. Their future is not bright).

As I have previously mentioned on the board, my lesbian neighbors adopted two children from an orphanage in Siberia. They are delightful, smart, adorable children (who were originally diagnoses with all sorts of challenges and disabilities), who are loved and cherished by their moms.

The fact that there are those such as BC who would rather these darling children live in an orphanage under such horrific circumstances rather than be loved by amazing women sickens me beyond words.

Gaz... are you kidding me? Do you even realize what you are saying? You think children born into this world should suffer because of the unfortunate circumstances in which they arrived on the earth?

And do you really think spending hundreds of millions of dollars to defeat a bill in California is going to make any difference to any child in the entire world? News Flash... it is not. It is completely irrelevant.

The LDS church, and apparently you seem to care more about a "sin" than the welfare children... my exact point!

Sigh...

Gazelam wrote:Jersey,
Your missing the root of the problem, dismayed by one of the symptoms. How did these children become unwanted orphans to begin with? They are products of a loss of virtue, a loss of chastity, and a wallowing in sexual deviancy that is very prevalent in many parts of Russia and the surrounding areas where organized crime rules the day and alcoholism and prostitution is rampant.

If we are to accept sexual deviancy as normal and healthy we open the doorway to the tolerance of a rainbow of social horrors, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. What seems impossible now will seem perfectly normal in the future, a future with a foundation based in the "loving acceptance" of a myriad of viewpoints. Could you have imagined twenty years ago that homosexuality would be as accepted as it is today?

We are in a state of moral decay, a slide into depravity that is horrific and frightening. What you see happening in Russia can very well happen here in the U.S. in a short time.

Please excuse my outrage at your post (or not) but what the HELL are you talking about? I described in my lengthy post above how they end up in substandard orphanages, would you please do me the courtesy of READING it?

I came back to read this and it says EXACTLY what I thought it said on first read!

Gazelam wrote:Jersey,
Your missing the root of the problem, dismayed by one of the symptoms. How did these children become unwanted orphans to begin with? They are products of a loss of virtue, a loss of chastity, and a wallowing in sexual deviancy that is very prevalent in many parts of Russia and the surrounding areas where organized crime rules the day and alcoholism and prostitution is rampant.

If we are to accept sexual deviancy as normal and healthy we open the doorway to the tolerance of a rainbow of social horrors, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. What seems impossible now will seem perfectly normal in the future, a future with a foundation based in the "loving acceptance" of a myriad of viewpoints. Could you have imagined twenty years ago that homosexuality would be as accepted as it is today?

We are in a state of moral decay, a slide into depravity that is horrific and frightening. What you see happening in Russia can very well happen here in the U.S. in a short time.

OH.MY.God.

Gaz,

I have untold amounts of patience for children and almost none whatsoever for adults who fail to think. You presume to describe the reasons that children are orphaned in other parts of the world when I have taken the time to describe to you just exactly how they become orphaned.

Sexual deviancy?!?!?!

I described to you and others the life course of children housed in Russia/Romania, how and why they were taken into the system, the conditions that they are subjected to and under what conditions they leave.

NONE of this has to do with sexual deviancy or loss of chastity!

Read my post again and try to stay with me!

cksalmon wrote:

Gadianton Plumber wrote:CFR that gay parents are abusive to kids.

Well, there's the case of Frank M. Lombard, the former associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke University, a homosexual into "perv fam fun" who adopted a black infant with his partner and then proceeded to sexually abuse him and offer the opportunity for other homosexual pedophiles to sexually abuse his adopted 5-year-old son via the Internet. He admitted that it was a lot easier to sexually abuse his adopted son when he was too young to talk. Doped him up on Benadryl.

You may not be familiar with this story. Man, it completely disappeared from the mainstream media almost before it broke.

cks

Would you like me to post the stories of current abuse cases in the news all perpetrated by heterosexuals? You're giving me one story here, cks.

One.

Jersey, Liz and Dancer,
I obviously didn't make my point clear. I do not say that the children Jersey is discussing in any way deserve their condition. that's ridiculous.

What I am talking about is the root of the problem, the cause of these children being in the state they are in. These poor children are the byproduct and symptom of moral decay in a society. Its a society cripled under the weight of crime, alcoholism and prostitution. These kids obviouly were not born into loving households with parents who loved one another and looked forward to having children. These kids are the byproduct of sex for the sake of satisfying an urge, a desire for pleasure as opposed to happiness.

Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy. A fetish, an obssesive disorder. As we accept it we embrace the disorder and empathy towards a sickness. We slide further into depravity and direct ourselves to the social ills of that russian system that produces those children.

I keep looking at this post and seeing something else I want to respond to...

Gazelam wrote:Jersey,
Your missing the root of the problem, dismayed by one of the symptoms. How did these children become unwanted orphans to begin with? They are products of a loss of virtue, a loss of chastity, and a wallowing in sexual deviancy that is very prevalent in many parts of Russia and the surrounding areas where organized crime rules the day and alcoholism and prostitution is rampant.

If we are to accept sexual deviancy as normal and healthy we open the doorway to the tolerance of a rainbow of social horrors, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. What seems impossible now will seem perfectly normal in the future, a future with a foundation based in the "loving acceptance" of a myriad of viewpoints. Could you have imagined twenty years ago that homosexuality would be as accepted as it is today?

We are in a state of moral decay, a slide into depravity that is horrific and frightening. What you see happening in Russia can very well happen here in the U.S. in a short time.

Are you saying that organized crime, alcoholism and prostitution aren't rampant in the US?

Mafia?????