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I described to you and others the life course of children housed in Russia/Romania, how and why they were taken into the system, the conditions that they are subjected to and under what conditions they leave.

NONE of this has to do with sexual deviancy or loss of chastity!

Read my post again and try to stay with me!

Gazelam wrote:Jersey, Liz and Dancer,
I obviously didn't make my point clear. I do not say that the children Jersey is discussing in any way deserve their condition. that's ridiculous.

What I am talking about is the root of the problem, the cause of these children being in the state they are in. These poor children are the byproduct and symptom of moral decay in a society. Its a society cripled under the weight of crime, alcoholism and prostitution. These kids obviouly were not born into loving households with parents who loved one another and looked forward to having children. These kids are the byproduct of sex for the sake of satisfying an urge, a desire for pleasure as opposed to happiness.

Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy. A fetish, an obssesive disorder. As we accept it we embrace the disorder and empathy towards a sickness. We slide further into depravity and direct ourselves to the social ills of that russian system that produces those children.

Under what circumstances did all of these children get placed into such a horrific state of being? We aren't talking about one, we're talking about thousands. A community that has sunk into sexual deviancy created the state those children were in.

Are you saying that organized crime, alcoholism and prostitution aren't rampant in the US?

Jersey Girl wrote:Somebody please peel me off the ceiling. No really!

Is SEX all that you are prepared to discuss?

The BBC's Richard Sargent in Moscow reports on a new scheme to give Russian orphans internships in large companies, allowing them the chance to avoid a life of crime, drug addiction and low-paid work.

Sergei proudly tries on a suit and tie for the first time, He has known a life that few of us could even contemplate. His father died in a car crash when he was three. And then his mother hit the bottle.

Sergei's habitual smile disappears and he lowers his gaze as he re-visits a time he has strived to forget.

"I don't want to remember; I have only bad memories from then," he says.

After five years of neglect and regular beatings, he and his two brothers were taken away from their mother. He never knew any other relatives and lost contact with his siblings, who were too old to be placed in an orphanage. He refuses to have any contact with his mother.

"But my dad was a very, very kind man," he says.

Bullying

It was a new start for the eight-year-old, a new life. A friend, Nikolai, describes the orphanage as a place without love, without warmth. But it was better than "home" for Sergei.

Life in a Russian orphanage depends greatly on its staff. Most are working there as a last resort. Bullying by older children is widespread and the over-stretched and under-paid staff simply do not have the time, and often the inclination, to give individual love and attention.

Orphans in Russia must leave orphanages at the age of 17. In Moscow , orphan "graduates" should by law be provided with a flat and a small stipend. But many of the 700,000 orphans in Russia are unprepared for life on the outside. Forty per cent of orphan graduates turn to crime, 40% become drug addicts and 10% commit suicide or simply "disappear" within the first year of independence, according to the Russian NGO, Big Changes. Only 2% enter university, compared with 45% of children raised in families.

Sergei is highly intelligent and motivated. Alongside his regular studies he has been coming to Women and Children First, a Russian NGO which teaches orphans "life-skills" to cope with life outside an institutionalized orphanage. His favourite class is English.

Gazelam wrote:Jersey,
Its more than handicapped kids...

The BBC's Richard Sargent in Moscow reports on a new scheme to give Russian orphans internships in large companies, allowing them the chance to avoid a life of crime, drug addiction and low-paid work.

Sergei proudly tries on a suit and tie for the first time, He has known a life that few of us could even contemplate. His father died in a car crash when he was three. And then his mother hit the bottle.

Sergei's habitual smile disappears and he lowers his gaze as he re-visits a time he has strived to forget.

"I don't want to remember; I have only bad memories from then," he says.

After five years of neglect and regular beatings, he and his two brothers were taken away from their mother. He never knew any other relatives and lost contact with his siblings, who were too old to be placed in an orphanage. He refuses to have any contact with his mother.

"But my dad was a very, very kind man," he says.

Bullying

It was a new start for the eight-year-old, a new life. A friend, Nikolai, describes the orphanage as a place without love, without warmth. But it was better than "home" for Sergei.

Life in a Russian orphanage depends greatly on its staff. Most are working there as a last resort. Bullying by older children is widespread and the over-stretched and under-paid staff simply do not have the time, and often the inclination, to give individual love and attention.

Orphans in Russia must leave orphanages at the age of 17. In Moscow , orphan "graduates" should by law be provided with a flat and a small stipend. But many of the 700,000 orphans in Russia are unprepared for life on the outside. Forty per cent of orphan graduates turn to crime, 40% become drug addicts and 10% commit suicide or simply "disappear" within the first year of independence, according to the Russian NGO, Big Changes. Only 2% enter university, compared with 45% of children raised in families.

Sergei is highly intelligent and motivated. Alongside his regular studies he has been coming to Women and Children First, a Russian NGO which teaches orphans "life-skills" to cope with life outside an institutionalized orphanage. His favourite class is English.

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What I am talking about is the root of the problem, the cause of these children being in the state they are in. These poor children are the byproduct and symptom of moral decay in a society. Its a society cripled under the weight of crime, alcoholism and prostitution. These kids obviouly were not born into loving households with parents who loved one another and looked forward to having children. These kids are the byproduct of sex for the sake of satisfying an urge, a desire for pleasure as opposed to happiness.