Gay Marriage and Abused Children

[_Yoda]

Jersey, Liz and Dancer,
I obviously didn't make my point clear. I do not say that the children Jersey is discussing in any way deserve their condition. that's ridiculous.

What I am talking about is the root of the problem, the cause of these children being in the state they are in. These poor children are the byproduct and symptom of moral decay in a society. Its a society cripled under the weight of crime, alcoholism and prostitution. These kids obviouly were not born into loving households with parents who loved one another and looked forward to having children. These kids are the byproduct of sex for the sake of satisfying an urge, a desire for pleasure as opposed to happiness.

Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy. A fetish, an obssesive disorder. As we accept it we embrace the disorder and empathy towards a sickness. We slide further into depravity and direct ourselves to the social ills of that russian system that produces those children.

The root causes of the children being placed in foreign orphanages that I described, that td referred to, that Liz posted a study about...

ARE SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN.

They are children who are deaf, have vision impairments, learning disorders, cleft palate, clubbed foot, FAS who are labeled as mentally retarded or mentally ill and live their early lives in government sponsored systems of neglect, then turned out on the streets with no life chances to speak of!

Jersey Girl and I are exactly on the same wave-length here, Gaz. I'm trying to see if you can get on it as well.

It's all fine and dandy to say that the acceptance of sexual depravity was the cause of the current problem that exists.

You, yourself, stated that the children who are in this situation do not deserve to be there. OK...stay with me....we're in agreement on this. Let's work on where we are in agreement.

Our agreement is that these children do not deserve to be in the situation they are in, and need help.

What, do you propose, is the solution to that help?

According to the study I quoted...and, more importantly, according to TD's real life experience, who is working in this field on a daily basis, actually trying to make this change happen.....there is a higher number of homosexual couples who are stable emotionally and financially, who are interested in adopting these special needs children, and providing them the help they need, than heterosexual couples who fall into the same category.

You think it is really wise to blanketly rule out ALL homosexual couples instead of evaluating them on a case-by-case basis in the same way heterosexual couples are evaluated?

That is what we are talking about here, Gaz. We're not talking about the deviancy of homosexuality, or the "right or wrong" of it. We are talking about people....couples...who are actually interested in doing something to become part of the solution to a growing problem.

Instead of simply saying, "No, we cannot accept help from these people"......put your cards on the table and offer up a solution.

[_KimberlyAnn]

There are rotten folks in the world who have no business adopting children. Some of those folks are heterosexual and some are homosexual. The other side of the same coin is that there are many heterosexual and homosexual couples who would make wonderful parents. People just are who they are--good, bad, and in between--no matter their sexual orientation.

It's my personal opinion that people who engage in promiscuous sexual activity, who drink too much, who are fiscally irresponsible, or who are otherwise unstable always make poor parents, no matter their sexual orientation. Those folks shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, period.

Any stable, loving couple willing and capable of adding a beautiful waiting child to their family should have the privilege of doing so. I can't see how it could be other than a blessing for everyone involved.

KA

[_Yoda]

I'm bumping this because I would like to hear Gaz's response to my post. I would also be interested in hearing from Beastie, and several others who have family members dealing with special needs children.

My son has a mild form of high functioning autism. He is streamlined in a regular classroom, but the school is doing all kinds of tests, and they are working with him on how best to learn.

There are many challenges that parents face with special needs children.

People who find it in their hearts to want to help these kids should not be turned away.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Hi, Liz.

I'm not Beastie, but I was born with a congenital birth defect, so I hope you don't mind my intrusion.

I had a fairly severe cleft palate. Thankfully, the damage didn't extend to my lip or nose, but I required several surgeries to repair my malformed palate and I was unable to eat normally. Many babies with cleft palates are unable to suck well and require special bottles. My palate was deformed so that I required tube feeding. At first, the feeding tube was inserted directly into my stomach, and later, when I was a little older, my mother inserted a feeding tube down my throat. After the repairs were complete and well healed, I was able to eat normally.

Unfortunately, children with cleft palates are stigmatized in many under-developed areas of the world, and many end up in orphanages. Some of those children die of malnutrition, as many under-funded orphanages do not have the facilities or equipment to properly feed children who have severe palate deformities and require tube feeding. Nearly 30,000 children a year in China are born with cleft palates and most of those end up in Chinese orphanages. I am so lucky to have been born in the United States to parents with access to good health care. Were I born in China, I'd likely have died of starvation in an orphanage. I imagine if I were born in China with a cleft palate, that I'd rather be adopted by a loving homosexual couple than left dying in an orphanage. But maybe that's just me...

Children with cleft palates/cleft lips who are born in under-developed countries are often sources of shame to their families. They are sometimes kept at home and not allowed to go to school. There is an organization dear to my heart called Operation Smile which sends doctors and nurses on medical missions all over the world to repair cleft palates. I give what I can to them. They do so much good.

Also, orphans in China with cleft palates are in need of special nursers so they can get proper nutrition, but it is difficult to get those into the country by any other means than taking them personally. I have a friend who is going to pick up her newly adopted daughter, Avery, from China in a couple of months. Several of my friends and I have ordered Cleft Palate Nursers for her to take with her to China. It's not much, but it is something.

Anyway, if orphans, especially those with special needs, have the opportunity for a loving home with good parents, I cannot imagine why that should be denied them simply because the loving parents may be gay.

KA

[_Yoda]

Kimberly,

Thank you so much for sharing your story. You are a truly beautiful woman, inside and out. *HUGS*

Why is it that some TBM's who claim to believe in the same religion I do, can't seem to see the people beyond the plaititudes?

It's very frustrating.

[_Gazelam]

I apparently was on a different wavelength to the conversation. My apologies.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of a homosexual couple raising a child. I think it is damaging to a childs development in that they will be raised to view deviant behavior as something normal.

On the other hand, if they have it withen their hearts to take on a special needs child and be their caregiver, then I would say individual care is a greater good than the care a "system" could provide.

I feel my tounge thickening up and my windpipe swelling shut choking that out though.

[_Paul Osborne]

I apparently was on a different wavelength to the conversation. My apologies.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of a homosexual couple raising a child. I think it is damaging to a childs development in that they will be raised to view deviant behavior as something normal.

On the other hand, if they have it withen their hearts to take on a special needs child and be their caregiver, then I would say individual care is a greater good than the care a "system" could provide.

I feel my tounge thickening up and my windpipe swelling shut choking that out though.

I've avoided this discussion because it's a potential slippery slope. But, I must say, that I feel that Gazelam made a big step in accepting the teachings of love as taught by Jesus. Loving God and our fellow beings is what God wants us to do above all else.

As far as children being placed in a home where a gay couple are the caregivers, I think it critical that it be determined whether that child would have objections or develop problems with living in that kind of environment. Professionals working with the adoption agency would need to determine if a child would be adversely effected living in that kind of arrangement. The child's wellbeing is what matters.

Paul O

[_Yoda]

I apparently was on a different wavelength to the conversation. My apologies.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of a homosexual couple raising a child. I think it is damaging to a childs development in that they will be raised to view deviant behavior as something normal.

On the other hand, if they have it withen their hearts to take on a special needs child and be their caregiver, then I would say individual care is a greater good than the care a "system" could provide.

I feel my tounge thickening up and my windpipe swelling shut choking that out though.

Thank you, Gaz!!!!

I appreciate you getting on board with us. I know it took a lot for you to admit that.

As far as children being placed in a home where a gay couple are the caregivers, I think it critical that it be determined whether that child would have objections or develop problems with living in that kind of environment.

Paul, we had already established in prior posts that each couple, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, would be evaluated on a case by case basis.

[_JohnStuartMill]

CFR that gay parents are abusive to kids.

Well, there's the case of Frank M. Lombard, the former associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke University, a homosexual into "perv fam fun" who adopted a black infant with his partner and then proceeded to sexually abuse him and offer the opportunity for other homosexual pedophiles to sexually abuse his adopted 5-year-old son via the Internet. He admitted that it was a lot easier to sexually abuse his adopted son when he was too young to talk. Doped him up on Benadryl.

You may not be familiar with this story. Man, it completely disappeared from the mainstream media almost before it broke.

cks

Cute, but the CFR was almost certainly for the proposition that "gay parents abuse their kids more than straight parents".

[_Paul Osborne]

Paul, we had already established in prior posts that each couple, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, would be evaluated on a case by case basis

Amen and amen. I just want to throw in my 2 cents.

Paul O