No, DCP. You are being liberal with the truth again.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm working on a time limit here so I'm going to throw in all the grenades I can in what little time I have!

Mormonism prevents people from entering the Temple based on their eternal score card which is watched over by human beings.

Christianity prevents no one from entering their houses of worship.

(Am I being offensive enough to spark a good debate yet?)

[_Jersey Girl]

Here comes another one, duck!

Mormonism withholds information about salvation from it's members.

Christianity supplies the information about salvation going in.

In Mormonism, you can literal spend several years of your life without knowing what is required for salvation.

In Christianity, you hear it the moment you walk in the door and the pastor starts talking.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

DCP:

When it comes right down to it, ironically, those who claim that we're not Christians are actually saying that devotion to Jesus Christ is not the most important or salient thing. Something else is. Something like substance-Trinitarianism, or solafidianism, or denial of salvation for the dead.

Salvation isn't actually in Christ, for such folks. It's in Christ plus something else.

What are you smoking? No Christian ever says these things. Devotion to JC is everything to a real Christian. Salvation is only found in Christ. In Mormonism it is Christ plus something else.

Straw man? Self projection?

No, Mormonism is not Christian.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm going to assume this is a direct quote.

DCP

When it comes right down to it, ironically, those who claim that we're not Christians are actually saying that devotion to Jesus Christ is not the most important or salient thing. Something else is. Something like substance-Trinitarianism, or solafidianism, or denial of salvation for the dead.

Salvation isn't actually in Christ, for such folks. It's in Christ plus something else.

I ask you, Daniel, how much more twisted could you actually get? Christians are saying that belief in Jesus Christ, the Atonement on the cross and the development of one's spiritual self are the most important things.

Mormonism is what lobs on various rituals and rites. The eternal score card. The spiritual coercion within the family. The salvation of the dead. Human beings keep watch over the individual score card and issue or fail to issue a ticket into the Temple based on external "worthiness".

Mormonism requires these things of it's members.

Christ does not. God Spirit does not. The Bible does not.

Mormonism does.

Christianity teaches that no human being is worthy of the Atonement and that there is nothing we could do to earn our own salvation.

Mormonism elevates man and puts man on par with Christ and God.

Don't post this disingenous stuff where GP can grab it up and put it where I can see it.

Gotta go now. Hopefully there is enough gasoline on the fire here to make a good suppe. ;-)

[_Jason Bourne]

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/47326-messiah-behold-the-lamb-of-god/page__view__findpost__p__1208783823

No, Mormons aren't Christians. They are Mormons.

You still singing this song? You have already been thrashed on this twice.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/47326-messiah-behold-the-lamb-of-god/page__view__findpost__p__1208783823

No, Mormons aren't Christians. They are Mormons.

You still singing this song? You have already been thrashed on this twice.

It's a matter of opinion. You think they are, I think they isn't. No real answer to this.

[_Jason Bourne]

If by this you mean that zero response is expected of God's children to accept the Atonement, then, yes, Mormons reject this - and the fact that such a notion is foreign to the Bible may be why.

All that is required is you accept the gift by accepting Jesus. It is not foreign to the Bible, it is foreign to the Mormon Bible.

Yawn

Same swan song. Then apparently faith only reformed protestant Christians are Christians. Kick out the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox and so on. Only about 1.5 billion Christians are no disqualified.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

Fine with me.

[_Jason Bourne]

Manfred

If by this you mean that zero response is expected of God's children to accept the Atonement, then, yes, Mormons reject this - and the fact that such a notion is foreign to the Bible may be why.

That's not what I mean at all. I'm talking in terms (going to get offensive here) of performing "works" such as vicarious baptism, tithing being a sign of "worthiness". None of these things are Biblical and are akin to thinking that God keeps an eternal score card and expects people to play a game that they can win.

Not Biblical.

It is biblical that God gives crowns and rewards to the more valiant and obedient saves saint. For Mormons, Faith in Christ, Repentance, Baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are all that is required to enter the Celestial Kingdom. Read D&C 20:1-38 and D&C 76. Mormons also believe that one must do their best to remain obedient in order to abide in Christ or endure to the end. The do believe one cal fall from grace as do other Christians. The additional temple ordinances and works required to enter into the temple are what qualify persons who are in the celestial kingdom for greater rewards.

[_Jason Bourne]

Agree. Furthermore, Christianity includes a heart change.

Not scoring eternal points with God Spirit or Christ.

In Christianity, my salvation isn't dependent on your salvation. Mormonism holds hostage the salvation of whole families.

Mormonism requires a change of heart. A persons salvation is not held hostage to the salvation of the whole family.